AnonMoos wrote:
> Hey Nimpy, all your weaseling can't change the fact that the number of
> Jews in Arab countries was in the six digits in the early 1940's, but
> is in the four digits today. The fact that the Arabs in effect drove
> the Jews of the Arab world into Israel was a _de facto_ Arab
> confirmation and endorsement of the Zionist thesis that only in a
> Jewish-majority state will Jews be safe against the changing whims and
> whipsawing political cross-currents of Christian or Muslim rulers or
> political systems.
But that doesn't really make any sense, because all of the problems
*started* with the existence of this Jewish state, which caused the
Arabs to counter-react against the Jews in their midst, who,
incidentally, had been living in those Muslim lands for 1300 years, and
things had never gotten so bad that most of them had to leave! Now all
of a sudden the Jewish state comes along, and causes so much Muslim rage
that the Jews, who had lived in the Muslim lands for 1300 years,
suddenly all take off! So, really, the formation of the Jewish state,
in effect, in and of itself, decimated the 1300-year old Jewish
communities! *Israel*, and the formation of such, decimated the
1300-year old Jewish residence in these lands!
It's true that Muslims had a sort of superficial
> semi-contemptuous tolerance of Jews when they throught that Jews
> weren't any particular threat, and as long as the Jews remained within
> their second-class subservient "dhimmi" status
There really wasn't much formal dhimmitude after 1910 in most of those
lands, certainly not legislated as such. Do you mean some kind of
informal prejudice, where they were treated as 2nd class citizens but
not "dhimmis" under Islamic Law (basically an anachronism in most of the
Islamic World).
-- but when the Jews
> seemed to be getting "uppity",
No, they were seen as 5th columnist traitors, and fellow travelers with
the Zionist settler-colonial invaders of the Arabs' lands. Kind of like
Kuwait throwing out the traitor Palestinians after the Gulf War. The
Jews were seen as cooperating with the Zionist enemy.
and no longer "knew their place",
Wait a minute, this Jews leaving Muslim lands thing did not start due to
some "Jewish civil rights movement in the Arab World" as you claim, but
due to the fact that they were seen as a 5th column cooperating with the
enemy in wartime.
then
> the vaunted Muslim "tolerance" quickly and irreparably shattered.
> Read Bernard Lewis's book "Semites and Anti-Semites"
This clown is one of the worst people to read as far as the Arab World
is concerned. He is a reactionary Jew, a Zionist, and an Israeli and
British agent. He is a longtime Mossad and MI5 agent.
for an interesting
> account of what exactly traditional Muslim "tolerance" was and wasn't --
I have no doubt that "dhimmitude" in all its permutations needs to be
wiped out of Islam forever and ever.
> and in the meantime, please don't labor under the delusion that you're
> making any serious political argument by dragging in a freak show like
> Neturei Qarta, because you're fooling very few people other than
> yourself by doing so.
You people are making some sort of a statement that "Muslims hate Jews
for what they are, Jews". By noting Naturei Karta (and others, such as
the Iranian anti-Zionist Jews) into the mix, I note that the Arab/Muslim
rage against Jews is all tied up with ZIONIST Jews, and that at least
some Arabs seem to differentiate between Zionists and Jews, to their
credit. Which adds weight to my argument that Muslim rage at Jews is
all tied up in Zionism.
--
The ultimate analysis of the Iraqi resistance; lists and analyzes 100
(!) Iraqi insurgent groups:
http://www.iraq-news-net.de/?/news/inn-statements/
The Jewish People's Liberation Organization (JPLO)
http://tinyurl.com/2jkeo
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.pflp.net/
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Read a little history idiot.
It was originally all Jewish land.
The Arabs didn't live in it much less own it.
They don't want Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, or Jews to live in any Muslim
lands. They feel it will democratize their women and children and they will
lose control over them.
They know Islam can not compete with other cultures on a level playing
field.
It is a murder suicide cult that is controlled by a few powerful Imams. They
control government and religion. There is no room for any deviance.
Submit or die is the Islamic philosophy.
"Anti-imperialist" <a...@anti-imperialist.net> wrote in message
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> AnonMoos wrote:
> > Hey Nimpy, all your weaseling can't change the fact that the number of
> > Jews in Arab countries was in the six digits in the early 1940's, but
> > is in the four digits today. The fact that the Arabs in effect drove
> > the Jews of the Arab world into Israel was a _de facto_ Arab
> > confirmation and endorsement of the Zionist thesis that only in a
> > Jewish-majority state will Jews be safe against the changing whims and
> > whipsawing political cross-currents of Christian or Muslim rulers or
> > political systems.
> But that doesn't really make any sense, because all of the problems
> *started* with the existence of this Jewish state, which caused the
> Arabs to counter-react against the Jews in their midst, who,
> incidentally, had been living in those Muslim lands for 1300 years, and
> things had never gotten so bad that most of them had to leave! Now all
> of a sudden the Jewish state comes along, and causes so much Muslim rage
> that the Jews, who had lived in the Muslim lands for 1300 years,
> suddenly all take off! So, really, the formation of the Jewish state,
> in effect, in and of itself, decimated the 1300-year old Jewish
> communities! *Israel*, and the formation of such, decimated the
> 1300-year old Jewish residence in these lands!
> It's true that Muslims had a sort of superficial
> > semi-contemptuous tolerance of Jews when they throught that Jews
> > weren't any particular threat, and as long as the Jews remained within
> > their second-class subservient "dhimmi" status
> There really wasn't much formal dhimmitude after 1910 in most of those
> lands, certainly not legislated as such. Do you mean some kind of
> informal prejudice, where they were treated as 2nd class citizens but
> not "dhimmis" under Islamic Law (basically an anachronism in most of the
> Islamic World).
> -- but when the Jews
> > seemed to be getting "uppity",
> No, they were seen as 5th columnist traitors, and fellow travelers with
> the Zionist settler-colonial invaders of the Arabs' lands. Kind of like
> Kuwait throwing out the traitor Palestinians after the Gulf War. The
> Jews were seen as cooperating with the Zionist enemy.
> and no longer "knew their place",
> Wait a minute, this Jews leaving Muslim lands thing did not start due to
> some "Jewish civil rights movement in the Arab World" as you claim, but
> due to the fact that they were seen as a 5th column cooperating with the
> enemy in wartime.
> then
> > the vaunted Muslim "tolerance" quickly and irreparably shattered.
> > Read Bernard Lewis's book "Semites and Anti-Semites"
> This clown is one of the worst people to read as far as the Arab World
> is concerned. He is a reactionary Jew, a Zionist, and an Israeli and
> British agent. He is a longtime Mossad and MI5 agent.
> for an interesting
> > account of what exactly traditional Muslim "tolerance" was and wasn't --
> I have no doubt that "dhimmitude" in all its permutations needs to be
> wiped out of Islam forever and ever.
> > and in the meantime, please don't labor under the delusion that you're
> > making any serious political argument by dragging in a freak show like
> > Neturei Qarta, because you're fooling very few people other than
> > yourself by doing so.
> You people are making some sort of a statement that "Muslims hate Jews
> for what they are, Jews". By noting Naturei Karta (and others, such as
> the Iranian anti-Zionist Jews) into the mix, I note that the Arab/Muslim
> rage against Jews is all tied up with ZIONIST Jews, and that at least
> some Arabs seem to differentiate between Zionists and Jews, to their
> credit. Which adds weight to my argument that Muslim rage at Jews is
> all tied up in Zionism.
> --
> The ultimate analysis of the Iraqi resistance; lists and analyzes 100
> (!) Iraqi insurgent groups:
> http://www.iraq-news-net.de/?/news/inn-statements/
> The Jewish People's Liberation Organization (JPLO)
> http://tinyurl.com/2jkeo
> The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
> http://www.pflp.net/
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> Read a little history idiot.
> It was originally all Jewish land.
HOW COME RUSSIANS ARE LIVING THERE, NOW?
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zr wrote:
> Read a little history idiot.
> It was originally all Jewish land.
What was "all" originally Jewish land? The entire Arab World?
> The Arabs didn't live in it much less own it.
Huh??????
> They don't want Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, or Jews to live in any Muslim
> lands.
Since when have Muslims had this attitude, and why have there been
Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Jews living in Muslim lands for 1300
years, if the Muslims can't stand their presence and want to throw them
out? Why didn't they throw them out long ago? Why did the Muslims
allow them to live there for 1300 years?
They feel it will democratize their women and children and they will
> lose control over them.
How long have Muslims had this feelings you describe?
> They know Islam can not compete with other cultures on a level playing
> field.
How long have Muslims had this feelings you describe?
> It is a murder suicide cult that is controlled by a few powerful Imams. They
> control government and religion.
In Turkey they do this? Or is Turkey an exception? If Turkey is an
exception than how can this be what "Muslims" want? Imams control the
state in Indonesia, Malaysia, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Yemen,
Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Arabia, Tunisia, Mauritania, Algeria, Morocco? I
thought you said "imams control the state" in all Muslim countries? Do
they or don't they?
There is no room for any deviance.
> Submit or die is the Islamic philosophy.
Submit to what? Islam? How come they have killed all the minority
religious people living in Muslim states? You say they offer them
conversion or the sword, right?
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> "Anti-imperialist" <a...@anti-imperialist.net> wrote in message
> news:4143B461.DD7EC3F8@anti-imperialist.net...
> > AnonMoos wrote:
> > > Hey Nimpy, all your weaseling can't change the fact that the number of
> > > Jews in Arab countries was in the six digits in the early 1940's, but
> > > is in the four digits today. The fact that the Arabs in effect drove
> > > the Jews of the Arab world into Israel was a _de facto_ Arab
> > > confirmation and endorsement of the Zionist thesis that only in a
> > > Jewish-majority state will Jews be safe against the changing whims and
> > > whipsawing political cross-currents of Christian or Muslim rulers or
> > > political systems.
> > But that doesn't really make any sense, because all of the problems
> > *started* with the existence of this Jewish state, which caused the
> > Arabs to counter-react against the Jews in their midst, who,
> > incidentally, had been living in those Muslim lands for 1300 years, and
> > things had never gotten so bad that most of them had to leave! Now all
> > of a sudden the Jewish state comes along, and causes so much Muslim rage
> > that the Jews, who had lived in the Muslim lands for 1300 years,
> > suddenly all take off! So, really, the formation of the Jewish state,
> > in effect, in and of itself, decimated the 1300-year old Jewish
> > communities! *Israel*, and the formation of such, decimated the
> > 1300-year old Jewish residence in these lands!
> > It's true that Muslims had a sort of superficial
> > > semi-contemptuous tolerance of Jews when they throught that Jews
> > > weren't any particular threat, and as long as the Jews remained within
> > > their second-class subservient "dhimmi" status
> > There really wasn't much formal dhimmitude after 1910 in most of those
> > lands, certainly not legislated as such. Do you mean some kind of
> > informal prejudice, where they were treated as 2nd class citizens but
> > not "dhimmis" under Islamic Law (basically an anachronism in most of the
> > Islamic World).
> > -- but when the Jews
> > > seemed to be getting "uppity",
> > No, they were seen as 5th columnist traitors, and fellow travelers with
> > the Zionist settler-colonial invaders of the Arabs' lands. Kind of like
> > Kuwait throwing out the traitor Palestinians after the Gulf War. The
> > Jews were seen as cooperating with the Zionist enemy.
> > and no longer "knew their place",
> > Wait a minute, this Jews leaving Muslim lands thing did not start due to
> > some "Jewish civil rights movement in the Arab World" as you claim, but
> > due to the fact that they were seen as a 5th column cooperating with the
> > enemy in wartime.
> > then
> > > the vaunted Muslim "tolerance" quickly and irreparably shattered.
> > > Read Bernard Lewis's book "Semites and Anti-Semites"
> > This clown is one of the worst people to read as far as the Arab World
> > is concerned. He is a reactionary Jew, a Zionist, and an Israeli and
> > British agent. He is a longtime Mossad and MI5 agent.
> > for an interesting
> > > account of what exactly traditional Muslim "tolerance" was and wasn't --
> > I have no doubt that "dhimmitude" in all its permutations needs to be
> > wiped out of Islam forever and ever.
> > > and in the meantime, please don't labor under the delusion that you're
> > > making any serious political argument by dragging in a freak show like
> > > Neturei Qarta, because you're fooling very few people other than
> > > yourself by doing so.
> > You people are making some sort of a statement that "Muslims hate Jews
> > for what they are, Jews". By noting Naturei Karta (and others, such as
> > the Iranian anti-Zionist Jews) into the mix, I note that the Arab/Muslim
> > rage against Jews is all tied up with ZIONIST Jews, and that at least
> > some Arabs seem to differentiate between Zionists and Jews, to their
> > credit. Which adds weight to my argument that Muslim rage at Jews is
> > all tied up in Zionism.
> > --
> > The ultimate analysis of the Iraqi resistance; lists and analyzes 100
> > (!) Iraqi insurgent groups:
> > http://www.iraq-news-net.de/?/news/inn-statements/
> > The Jewish People's Liberation Organization (JPLO)
> > http://tinyurl.com/2jkeo
> > The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
> > http://www.pflp.net/
--
The ultimate analysis of the Iraqi resistance; lists and analyzes 100
(!) Iraqi insurgent groups:
http://www.iraq-news-net.de/?/news/inn-statements/
The Jewish People's Liberation Organization (JPLO)
http://tinyurl.com/2jkeo
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.pflp.net/
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Ed wrote:
> "J u n o" <J...@tripleDom.com> wrote in message
> news:ilr%c.13879$Nd6.623393@news20.bellglobal.com...
> http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_philosophy&N...
>>92922938
>>Rabbis to IDF: Hit harder at terror, even if civilians killed
>>Last Update: 07/09/2004 09:48
>>Rabbis to IDF: Hit harder at terror, even if civilians killed
>>By Nadav Shragai
>>A group of rabbis, heads of yeshivas from the West Bank and the Yesha
>>council of West Bank and Gaza rabbis have issued a public call to the
>>government to toughen its fighting policies in the territories even at the
>>cost of civilian lives, declaring that the army should show less regard
> for
>>the welfare of the Palestinians if terrorists are hiding in their midst.
>>The call, sent in a letter to Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz, was issued by
> a
>>number of prominent hardline rabbis, including Haim Druckman, the head of
>>the Bnei Akiva religious youth group, Eliezer Melamed, the head of Har
>>Bracha yeshiva and Yuval Sharlo, a head of a yeshiva in Petah Tikva which
>>combines Torah learning with active IDF service.
>>"There is no war in the world in which it is possible to delineate
> entirely
>>between the population and the [enemy] army, neither in the U.S. war in
>>Iraq, the Russian war in Chechnya, nor in Israel's wars with its enemies."
>>the rabbis wrote.
>>The rabbis' statement posed the question, "Should the IDF fight the enemy,
>>if civilians [on the other side] will be killed, or should the IDF refrain
>>from fighting, and thus endanger our civilians?" The rabbis quote the sage
>>Rabbi Akiva in responding that "Our lives come first."
>>"Christians preaching 'turn the other cheek' will not cause us to panic,
> and
>>we will not be impressed by those who prefer the lives of our enemies on
> our
>>own lives."
>>Settlers prevent evacuation of illegal outpost
>>Hundreds of settlers managed to prevent on Monday the evacuation of the
>>outpost of Nofei Prat, near the settlement of Kfar Adumim in the Judea
>>Desert.
>>The outpost was erected several months ago and several families reside in
> it
>>in mobile homes. The civil administration planned to evacuate the homes
>>Monday, but hundreds of settlers from the area and security services
> decided
>>to delay evacuation.
> Makes sense.... the relatively humane treatment that the IDF has exercised
> in defense of Israel has not stopped the terrorists. Tougher measures may
> be needed.
Yes, maybe the terrorists will find less support from the community when
thousands of them are getting killed.
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"Amigo Cabal" <amigoca...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>"AnonMoos" <anonm...@io.com> wrote in message news:4143AE26.1499B967@io.com...
>> Hey Nimpy, all your weaseling can't change the fact that the number
>> of Jews in Arab countries was in the six digits in the early
>> 1940's, but is in the four digits today. The fact that the Arabs
>> in effect drove the Jews of the Arab world into Israel was a _de
>> facto_ Arab confirmation and endorsement of the Zionist thesis that
>> only in a Jewish-majority state will Jews be safe against the
>> changing whims and whipsawing political cross-currents of Christian
>> or Muslim rulers or political systems.
> You must be out of your mind. jews lived in ALL Arab countries for many
> centuries, millenium,
You got that right! There were Jews in Libya before there were ever any
Arabs in Libya, but that didn't prevent the Libyan Arabs from expelling
all Libyan Jews in a brutal vicious antisemitic pogrom in 1967. (Note
that that was still under the old king, not Qadhdhafi.)
> and the only time when they faced problems is when they started
> killing people. Eliahu Betzouri and Eliahu hakim murdered British
> Resident Minister in Cairo in 1944, Lord Moyne,
StriderCabal, Lord Moyne was not an Egyptian, and the two who killed him
were not Egyptian Jews, and the murder had nothing to do with Egyptian
affairs, but was vengeance for the "Struma" affair, in which 750 Jews died
in accordance with Lord Moyne's personal orders. Meanwhile, hundreds
of thousands of Jews across the Arab world had their lives made miserable
regardless of their political views (if any).
--
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الجزية ولسنا
صاغرين (٢٩ We will fight for
our freedom! Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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"Amigo Cabal" <amigoca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message <news:ztydnScix5ZXOd7cRVn-hw@adelphia.com>...
> > If most Muslims really want the entire Arab World 100% Muslim, how is it
> > they tolerated Jews, Christians and whatnot living amongst them for 1300
> > years without immediately freaking out and slaughtering them all?
> > Clearly their reaction was different than that towards Israel? Do you
> > want to rephrase your statement, and say that the Muslims did not mind
> > Jews living on their lands, but objected to Jews having their own state
> > on what they saw as Jewish lands?
> The greatest Jewish philospher and compiler of Talmud
> refused to live amongst the Jews of Jerusalem, who wanted him dead, and
> instead chose to live amongst the muslims of Cairo, where he is currently
> buried his name is Moses Maimonides.
You lying piece of shit. You know damned well that Maimonides fled
"tolerant" Spain because the Almohads were busy offering Jews a choice
of conversion or death.
Such was the tolerance of al-Andalus under the Almohads. Now, go run
and suck off Anti-imperialist. Be sure to swallow.
Lisa
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"Lisa R." wrote:
> "Amigo Cabal" <amigoca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message <news:ztydnScix5ZXOd7cRVn-hw@adelphia.com>...
> > > If most Muslims really want the entire Arab World 100% Muslim, how is it
> > > they tolerated Jews, Christians and whatnot living amongst them for 1300
> > > years without immediately freaking out and slaughtering them all?
> > > Clearly their reaction was different than that towards Israel? Do you
> > > want to rephrase your statement, and say that the Muslims did not mind
> > > Jews living on their lands, but objected to Jews having their own state
> > > on what they saw as Jewish lands?
> > The greatest Jewish philospher and compiler of Talmud
> > refused to live amongst the Jews of Jerusalem, who wanted him dead, and
> > instead chose to live amongst the muslims of Cairo, where he is currently
> > buried his name is Moses Maimonides.
> You lying piece of shit. You know damned well that Maimonides fled
> "tolerant" Spain because the Almohads were busy offering Jews a choice
> of conversion or death.
> Such was the tolerance of al-Andalus under the Almohads. Now, go run
> and suck off Anti-imperialist. Be sure to swallow.
What's wrong, you Jewish cunt? Are you experiencing vaginal itching
again? There are medications for that, you know, you kike whore.
--
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(!) Iraqi insurgent groups:
http://www.iraq-news-net.de/?/news/inn-statements/
The Jewish People's Liberation Organization (JPLO)
http://tinyurl.com/2jkeo
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.pflp.net/
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AnonMoos wrote:
> "Amigo Cabal" <amigoca...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >"AnonMoos" <anonm...@io.com> wrote in message news:4143AE26.1499B967@io.com...
> >> Hey Nimpy, all your weaseling can't change the fact that the number
> >> of Jews in Arab countries was in the six digits in the early
> >> 1940's, but is in the four digits today. The fact that the Arabs
> >> in effect drove the Jews of the Arab world into Israel was a _de
> >> facto_ Arab confirmation and endorsement of the Zionist thesis that
> >> only in a Jewish-majority state will Jews be safe against the
> >> changing whims and whipsawing political cross-currents of Christian
> >> or Muslim rulers or political systems.
> > You must be out of your mind. jews lived in ALL Arab countries for many
> > centuries, millenium,
> You got that right! There were Jews in Libya before there were ever any
> Arabs in Libya, but that didn't prevent the Libyan Arabs from expelling
> all Libyan Jews in a brutal vicious antisemitic pogrom in 1967. (Note
> that that was still under the old king, not Qadhdhafi.)
They didn't throw them all out in 1967. There were still quite a few
left. They weren't exactly "expelled" either. There was a pogrom, and
a whopping 18 Jews out of 7,000 were killed, while quite a few more were
wounded. After that attack, almost all the Jews but 100 took off.
Hell, Israel and the US kill that many Arabs in a single day these days
(especially the US in Iraq). Is the US in the process of "expelling"
the Arabs from Iraq right now by killing and wounding them? Is Israel
actually "expelling" Palestinians when it gets a nice kill/wounded total
on some particular day? Palestinian communities experience kill/wounded
ratios like that all the time, and so do Chechens, but they don't take
off, never to return again. Is Russia "expelling" the Chechens? Is
Israel "expelling the Gazans when it slaughters a bunch on some
particular day? Things got nasty for the Jews in Libya, due to ISRAEL,
and the Jews took off, and never wanted to go back. That is not exactly
"expelling". It's called emigration, and it happens all the time.
> > and the only time when they faced problems is when they started
> > killing people. Eliahu Betzouri and Eliahu hakim murdered British
> > Resident Minister in Cairo in 1944, Lord Moyne,
> StriderCabal, Lord Moyne was not an Egyptian, and the two who killed him
> were not Egyptian Jews, and the murder had nothing to do with Egyptian
> affairs, but was vengeance for the "Struma" affair, in which 750 Jews died
> in accordance with Lord Moyne's personal orders. Meanwhile, hundreds
> of thousands of Jews across the Arab world had their lives made miserable
> regardless of their political views (if any).
Apparently, a lot of them were Zionists, I believe. At least in Iraq.
--
The ultimate analysis of the Iraqi resistance; lists and analyzes 100
(!) Iraqi insurgent groups:
http://www.iraq-news-net.de/?/news/inn-statements/
The Jewish People's Liberation Organization (JPLO)
http://tinyurl.com/2jkeo
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.pflp.net/
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Anti-imperialist <a...@anti-imperialist.net> wrote:
>AnonMoos wrote:
>>"Amigo Cabal" <amigoca...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>"AnonMoos" <anonm...@io.com> wrote in message news:4143AE26.1499B967@io.com...
>>>> Hey Nimpy, all your weaseling can't change the fact that the
>>>> number of Jews in Arab countries was in the six digits in the
>>>> early 1940's, but is in the four digits today. The fact that the
>>>> Arabs in effect drove the Jews of the Arab world into Israel was
>>>> a _de facto_ Arab confirmation and endorsement of the Zionist
>>>> thesis that only in a Jewish-majority state will Jews be safe
>>>> against the changing whims and whipsawing political
>>>> cross-currents of Christian or Muslim rulers or political
>>>> systems.
>>> You must be out of your mind. jews lived in ALL Arab countries for
>>> many centuries, millenium,
>> You got that right! There were Jews in Libya before there were
>> ever any Arabs in Libya, but that didn't prevent the Libyan Arabs
>> from expelling all Libyan Jews in a brutal vicious antisemitic
>> pogrom in 1967. (Note that that was still under the old king, not
>> Qadhdhafi.)
> They weren't exactly "expelled" either. There was a pogrom, and a
> whopping 18 Jews out of 7,000 were killed, while quite a few more
> were wounded. After that attack, almost all the Jews but 100 took
> off. Things got nasty for the Jews in Libya, due to ISRAEL, and the
> Jews took off, and never wanted to go back. That is not exactly
> "expelling". It's called emigration, and it happens all the time.
Whatever, Nimpy -- within a few days, 99% of Jews that had been living
in Libya left Libya under threat of violence, regardless of what their
political opinions (if any) might have been, and despite the fact that
the vast majority of them were born Libyan citizens; and they had all
their property (except minimal hand-luggage and the clothes on their
back) confiscated from them. Anybody who is not a disingenuous
propagandist or a dishonest apologist will call that a vicious
religiously-bigoted "ethnic cleansing" attack. Today, even Qadhdhafi
is talking about compensating the expelled Libyan Jews of 1967. Are
you trying to be even more extremist than Qadhdhafi, like being "more
Catholic than the Pope"?
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Anti-imperialist <a...@anti-imperialist.net> wrote in message <news:414397D0.FDEBB1FF@anti-imperialist.net>...
>If most Muslims really want the entire Arab World 100% Muslim, how is
it
>they tolerated Jews, Christians and whatnot living amongst them for
1300
>years without immediately freaking out and slaughtering them all?
What makes you think Jews and Xians were tolerated? Ever heard of the
dhimma? Obviously you never heard of the numerous massacres of Jews
and Xians by Muslims which occurred time after time througout those
1,300 years.
>Clearly their reaction was different than that towards Israel? Do
you
>want to rephrase your statement, and say that the Muslims did not
mind
>Jews living on their lands, but objected to Jews having their own
state
>on what they saw as Jewish lands?
What the Muslims objected to was that Jews stopped being their
dhimmis.
>Hmmmmmm maybe. Would you include the Khatami (Iran) crowd in with
>that? Or the PLO? Remember the PLO had Naturei Karta members
sitting
>on their Central Committee, and on a recent trip to New York, Khatami
>was accompanied by Naturei Karta folks,
That's pretty damned funny, when you consider what would happen to the
PLO at the hands of the NKrakpots were the Messiah to arrive and allow
the NK ayatollahs to establish THEIR sort of Jewish state.
>Also an Islamist party in
>Morocco recently formed an alliance with the Moroccan Jews. The
>Tunisian and Moroccan governments have been very good to their Jews.
>Libya is asking the Libyan Jews to come home and offering to pay them
>for their losses.
Very nice of them.
The Jews of Libya
1948 Jewish population: 38,000
2003: 0
A savage pogrom in Tripoli on November 5, 1945, killed more than
140 Jews and wounded hundreds more. Almost every synagogue was looted.
In June 1948, rioters murdered another 12 Jews and destroyed 280
Jewish homes.1
Thousands of Jews fled the country after Libya was granted
independence and membership in the Arab League in 1951. After the
Six-Day War, the Jewish population of 7,000 was again subjected to
pogroms in which 18 were killed, and many more injured, sparking a
near-total exodus that left fewer than 100 Jews in Libya.
When Col. Qaddafi came to power in 1969, all Jewish property was
confiscated and all debts to Jews cancelled. In 1999, the synagogue in
Tripoli was was renovated, however, it was not reopened.2
The last Jew living in Libya, Esmeralda Meghnagi, died in February
2002. This marked the end of one of the world's oldest Jewish
communities, which traced its origins to the 3rd century BCE..3
Notes
1. Howard Sachar, A History of Israel, (NY: Alfred A. Knopf,
1979), p. 400; Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern
Times, (NY: Jewish Publication Society, 1991), p. 145.
2. U.S. Department of State, 2000 Annual Report on International
Religious Freedom, Released by the Bureau for Democracy, Human Rights,
and Labor Washington, DC, September 5, 2000.
3. Jerusalem Report, (March 11, 2002).
- http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/libyajews.html
The Jews of Morocco
1948 Jewish population: 265,000
2003: 5,5001 ...
In 1965, Moroccan writer Said Ghallab described the attitude of his
fellow Muslims toward their Jewish neighbors:
"The worst insult that a Moroccan could possibly offer was to treat
someone as a Jew....My childhood friends have remained anti-Jewish.
They hide their virulent anti-Semitism by contending that the State of
Israel was the creature of Western imperialism....A whole Hitlerite
myth is being cultivated among the populace. The massacres of the Jews
by Hitler are exalted ecstatically. It is even credited that Hitler is
not dead, but alive and well, and his arrival is awaited to deliver
the Arabs from Israel."
[...]
See the rest of the article for changes in Morocco.
- http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/morocjews.html
The Jews of Tunisia
1948 Jewish population: 105,000
2003: 1,5001
Tunisia was the only Arab country to come under direct German
occupation during World War II.. According to Robert Satloff, "From
November 1942 to May 1943, the Germans and their local collaborators
implemented a forced-labor regime, confiscations of property,
hostage-taking, mass extortion, deportations, and executions. They
required thousands of Jews in the countryside to wear the Star of
David, and they created special Judenrat-like committees of Jewish
leaders to implement Nazi policies under threat of imprisonment or
death."
After Tunisia gained independence in 1956, a series of anti-Jewish
government decrees were promulgated. In 1958, Tunisia's Jewish
Community Council was abolished by the government and ancient
synagogues, cemeteries and Jewish quarters were destroyed for "urban
renewal."
- http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/tunisjews.html
See, also:
American Sephardi Federation
Jewish Refugees From Arab Countries
http://www.jewishrefugees.org/
The Treatment of Jews in Arab/Islamic Countries
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Ara...
>Syria prosecuted Palestinians who attacked Syrian Jews
According to the State Department's 2000 Annual Report on
International Religious Freedom. That was a while ago.
>and Yemen tried to put a Yemeni Jew on the ballot for the
>ruling party in Parliament.
"In January 2001, the ruling "General People's Party" placed a Yemeni
Jewish citizen on the slate for parliamentary elections for the first
time. The candidate, Ibrahim Ezer, was reportedly recommended by
President Ali Abdallah Salah as a gesture to the incoming Bush
administration in a bid to receive economic aid for Yemen. The General
Election Committee, subsequently rejected Ezer's application on
grounds that a candidate must be the child of two Muslim parents.
Political analysts speculated that the true reason was a desire not to
establish a precedent of allowing a Jew to run for office."
- Jerusalem Post, (January 30, 2001), Jews of Yemen (see above for
link).
>There are 300 Samaritan (Jews) living in the
>West Bank and they have no problems at all.
"Being neither Jewish nor Muslim, they have found advantage in their
symbolic value to both Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
Samaritans living in Israel have long been granted Israeli
citizenship, and two years ago, Israel permitted the Samaritans who
live in the West Bank to obtain Israeli passports. The Palestinian
Authority, which rules portions of the West Bank and issued them its
own passports, lets them hold both."
- http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/samaris.htm
>1/3 of the ISM'ers are Jewish, living with the Palestinians,
>and they report no problems at all.
ISM'ers?
>Aren't we really talking about some fundamentalists here, and not
just
>ordinary Muslims?
How do these bits from THE PALESTINE INFORMATION CENTER - THE VOICE OF
PALESTINE strike you?
"The Holy Qur'an has sufficiently provided us with the ways to
identify the Jewish manners and has warned us regarding their
debauchery and immorality."
"We should not follow the deviated stories of the Children of Israel,
which abuse both prophets and God."
"The deviated Torah and the Talmud, for instance, say that God (the
Most High, Exalted and Great) plays with whales and fish for three
hours every day. They also say that He cried over the demolition of
the temple till His size was diminished from seven heavens to four
heavens, and that earthquakes and hurricanes occur as a result of
God's tears, which supposedly fall into the sea in response to the
demolished temple. The Holy Qur'an mention their allegations in the
following verses: The Jews say: "God's hand is tied up (S.V:64)"; God
hath heard the taunt of those who say: "Truly, God is indigent and we
are rich! (S.III:181)"."
"The Jews have deviated from the Torah or the Old Testament, and they
follow the path of the deviated Torah as seen in their manners,
debauchery and immorality, under the pretence of what they had
attributed falsely and untruly to their prophets."
"Historians, especially the Muslim ones, should not embark rashly in
their search into Palestine's history accusing God's prophets and
messengers, as the Jews did in their fabrications, in order to prove
other prophets' rights in Palestine."
"Muslims have the priority to hold the heritage of the prophets,
including the heritage of the prophets of the Children of Israel.
Muslims are still holding the banner already held up by the prophets
and are still following their path. All of those prophets were Muslims
and believers in the unity of God according to the Qur'anic
understanding."
Deborah
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>But that doesn't really make any sense, because all of the problems
>*started* with the existence of this Jewish state, which caused the
>Arabs to counter-react against the Jews in their midst, who,
>incidentally, had been living in those Muslim lands for 1300 years,
Except for the Jews who were massacred.
>and
>things had never gotten so bad that most of them had to leave!
Until the state of Israel, they had no place to leave to.
>Now all
>of a sudden the Jewish state comes along, and causes so much Muslim
rage
>that the Jews, who had lived in the Muslim lands for 1300 years,
>suddenly all take off!
Naturally. Muslims didn't like the thought of losing all their little
dhimmis - and all those profitable taxes to which dhimmis are subject.
>So, really, the formation of the Jewish state,
>in effect, in and of itself, decimated the 1300-year old Jewish
>communities! *Israel*, and the formation of such, decimated the
>1300-year old Jewish residence in these lands!
Not according to the Jews who were forced from Arab lands, it didn't.
> It's true that Muslims had a sort of superficial
> > semi-contemptuous tolerance of Jews when they throught that Jews
> > weren't any particular threat, and as long as the Jews remained within
> > their second-class subservient "dhimmi" status
>There really wasn't much formal dhimmitude after 1910 in most of
those
>lands, certainly not legislated as such. Do you mean some kind of
>informal prejudice, where they were treated as 2nd class citizens but
>not "dhimmis" under Islamic Law (basically an anachronism in most of
the
>Islamic World).
Dhimmitude isn't any anachronism in the "Islamic World".
>You people are making some sort of a statement that "Muslims hate
Jews
>for what they are, Jews". By noting Naturei Karta (and others, such
as
>the Iranian anti-Zionist Jews) into the mix, I note that the
Arab/Muslim
>rage against Jews is all tied up with ZIONIST Jews, and that at least
>some Arabs seem to differentiate between Zionists and Jews, to their
>credit.
Which means nothing, since most Jews ARE Zionists.
Deborah
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Anti-imperialist <a...@anti-imperialist.net> wrote in message <news:41452AF9.DA2154F2@anti-imperialist.net>...
> "Lisa R." wrote:
> > "Amigo Cabal" <amigoca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message <news:ztydnScix5ZXOd7cRVn-hw@adelphia.com>...
> > > > If most Muslims really want the entire Arab World 100% Muslim, how is it
> > > > they tolerated Jews, Christians and whatnot living amongst them for 1300
> > > > years without immediately freaking out and slaughtering them all?
> > > > Clearly their reaction was different than that towards Israel? Do you
> > > > want to rephrase your statement, and say that the Muslims did not mind
> > > > Jews living on their lands, but objected to Jews having their own state
> > > > on what they saw as Jewish lands?
> > > The greatest Jewish philospher and compiler of Talmud
> > > refused to live amongst the Jews of Jerusalem, who wanted him dead, and
> > > instead chose to live amongst the muslims of Cairo, where he is currently
> > > buried his name is Moses Maimonides.
> > You lying piece of shit. You know damned well that Maimonides fled
> > "tolerant" Spain because the Almohads were busy offering Jews a choice
> > of conversion or death.
> > Such was the tolerance of al-Andalus under the Almohads. Now, go run
> > and suck off Anti-imperialist. Be sure to swallow.
> What's wrong, you Jewish cunt? Are you experiencing vaginal itching
> again? There are medications for that, you know, you kike whore.
Oooops! Sorry! I got it backwards. You suck HIM off.
Lisa
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AnonMoos wrote:
> Anti-imperialist <a...@anti-imperialist.net> wrote:
> >AnonMoos wrote:
> >>"Amigo Cabal" <amigoca...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>>"AnonMoos" <anonm...@io.com> wrote in message news:4143AE26.1499B967@io.com...
> >>>> Hey Nimpy, all your weaseling can't change the fact that the
> >>>> number of Jews in Arab countries was in the six digits in the
> >>>> early 1940's, but is in the four digits today. The fact that the
> >>>> Arabs in effect drove the Jews of the Arab world into Israel was
> >>>> a _de facto_ Arab confirmation and endorsement of the Zionist
> >>>> thesis that only in a Jewish-majority state will Jews be safe
> >>>> against the changing whims and whipsawing political
> >>>> cross-currents of Christian or Muslim rulers or political
> >>>> systems.
> >>> You must be out of your mind. jews lived in ALL Arab countries for
> >>> many centuries, millenium,
> >> You got that right! There were Jews in Libya before there were
> >> ever any Arabs in Libya, but that didn't prevent the Libyan Arabs
> >> from expelling all Libyan Jews in a brutal vicious antisemitic
> >> pogrom in 1967. (Note that that was still under the old king, not
> >> Qadhdhafi.)
> > They weren't exactly "expelled" either. There was a pogrom, and a
> > whopping 18 Jews out of 7,000 were killed, while quite a few more
> > were wounded. After that attack, almost all the Jews but 100 took
> > off. Things got nasty for the Jews in Libya, due to ISRAEL, and the
> > Jews took off, and never wanted to go back. That is not exactly
> > "expelling". It's called emigration, and it happens all the time.
> Whatever, Nimpy -- within a few days, 99% of Jews that had been living
> in Libya left Libya under threat of violence, regardless of what their
> political opinions (if any) might have been, and despite the fact that
> the vast majority of them were born Libyan citizens;
Ok, if the Iraqis are now fleeing violence in Iraq and never want to go
back, say, 10% of the population fled, and never wanted to go back ever,
due to US violence, would the US be "expelling" the Iraqis? Is Russia
"expelling" Chechens if violence drives them out and they never want to
go home? Fuck that.
and they had all
> their property (except minimal hand-luggage and the clothes on their
> back) confiscated from them.
Where does it say that their property was confiscated? Show me where it
says that about Libyan Jews.
Anybody who is not a disingenuous
> propagandist or a dishonest apologist will call that a vicious
> religiously-bigoted "ethnic cleansing" attack.
Oh really, so any refugee who ever flees any violent conflict is a
victim of "ethnic cleansing"? Bullshit!
Today, even Qadhdhafi
> is talking about compensating the expelled Libyan Jews of 1967.
Is that what he is talking about? The Jews *who left* in 67, was their
property confiscated? Give me a link.....
Are
> you trying to be even more extremist than Qadhdhafi, like being "more
> Catholic than the Pope"?
I support Ghaddafi's compensating the Jews if their property was stolen,
which is a terrible crime. However, I really don't like to use ethnic
cleansing if the "cleansed" never want to go home again! What is so
tragic about that? They left a shitty place and went to a better one,
Hallelujah. And the tragedy here is............?
How come the Libyan Jews don't want to go back? They have offered the
opportunity to come home. If they were "cleansed" as opposed to
emigrated, they would want to go home.
The whole tragedy of the Palestinians as opposed to the PHONY crisis of
FAKE Jewish refugees, is that the Palestinians want to go home, and the
Jews were quite happy to take off, and never want to set foot in their
former homes again! Sounds like a good thing to me.......
--
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(!) Iraqi insurgent groups:
http://www.iraq-news-net.de/?/news/inn-statements/
The Jewish People's Liberation Organization (JPLO)
http://tinyurl.com/2jkeo
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.pflp.net/
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Deborah Sharavi wrote:
> Anti-imperialist <a...@anti-imperialist.net> wrote in message <news:4143B461.DD7EC3F8@anti-imperialist.net>...
> >But that doesn't really make any sense, because all of the problems
> >*started* with the existence of this Jewish state, which caused the
> >Arabs to counter-react against the Jews in their midst, who,
> >incidentally, had been living in those Muslim lands for 1300 years,
> Except for the Jews who were massacred.
There were some, but also in those lands the Jews had done some
massacring themselves, for instance in Palestine a few 100 years after
Jesus died. Anyway, despite the rare killings, there was a huge Jewish
population in the Arab World.
> >and
> >things had never gotten so bad that most of them had to leave!
> Until the state of Israel, they had no place to leave to.
Right! What a bunch of shit! Like they could not have gone to America,
Europe, South Africa, Australia, Latin America, or all sorts of
countries. What a bunch of shit. They didn't even want to leave, by
their own admission.
> >Now all
> >of a sudden the Jewish state comes along, and causes so much Muslim
> rage
> >that the Jews, who had lived in the Muslim lands for 1300 years,
> >suddenly all take off!
> Naturally. Muslims didn't like the thought of losing all their little
> dhimmis - and all those profitable taxes to which dhimmis are subject.
Nonsequiteur. The Jews left the Arab World due to Israel.
> >So, really, the formation of the Jewish state,
> >in effect, in and of itself, decimated the 1300-year old Jewish
> >communities! *Israel*, and the formation of such, decimated the
> >1300-year old Jewish residence in these lands!
> Not according to the Jews who were forced from Arab lands, it didn't.
Who cares what those lying Zionist pigs say. We all know that they left
due to the formation of the Zionist state. Look at a timeline. Is the
US "forcing" Iraqis to leave Iraq now? Is Russia "forcing" Chechens to
leave Chechnya? What a bunch of shit.
> > It's true that Muslims had a sort of superficial
> > > semi-contemptuous tolerance of Jews when they throught that Jews
> > > weren't any particular threat, and as long as the Jews remained within
> > > their second-class subservient "dhimmi" status
> >There really wasn't much formal dhimmitude after 1910 in most of
> those
> >lands, certainly not legislated as such. Do you mean some kind of
> >informal prejudice, where they were treated as 2nd class citizens but
> >not "dhimmis" under Islamic Law (basically an anachronism in most of
> the
> >Islamic World).
> Dhimmitude isn't any anachronism in the "Islamic World".
There really is no formalized dhimmitude, such as existed in the 19th
Century, with formal laws and what not, in most of the Arab World
anymore. It's history.
> >You people are making some sort of a statement that "Muslims hate
> Jews
> >for what they are, Jews". By noting Naturei Karta (and others, such
> as
> >the Iranian anti-Zionist Jews) into the mix, I note that the
> Arab/Muslim
> >rage against Jews is all tied up with ZIONIST Jews, and that at least
> >some Arabs seem to differentiate between Zionists and Jews, to their
> >credit.
> Which means nothing, since most Jews ARE Zionists.
Yep about 99%. Which is unfortunate. And it does mean something......
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(!) Iraqi insurgent groups:
http://www.iraq-news-net.de/?/news/inn-statements/
The Jewish People's Liberation Organization (JPLO)
http://tinyurl.com/2jkeo
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.pflp.net/
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Deborah Sharavi wrote:
> Anti-imperialist <a...@anti-imperialist.net> wrote in message <news:414397D0.FDEBB1FF@anti-imperialist.net>...
> >If most Muslims really want the entire Arab World 100% Muslim, how is
> it
> >they tolerated Jews, Christians and whatnot living amongst them for
> 1300
> >years without immediately freaking out and slaughtering them all?
> What makes you think Jews and Xians were tolerated?
Well Hell they lived there for 1300 fucking years and never took off til
Israel showed up. Israel devastated those Jewish communities, worst
thing ever happened to them.
Ever heard of the
> dhimma?
Why didn't they leave until 1950 then?
Obviously you never heard of the numerous massacres of Jews
> and Xians by Muslims which occurred time after time througout those
> 1,300 years.
There were some, but not so many....in many of those countries we can't
find any massacres for many 100's of years.
> >Clearly their reaction was different than that towards Israel? Do
> you
> >want to rephrase your statement, and say that the Muslims did not
> mind
> >Jews living on their lands, but objected to Jews having their own
> state
> >on what they saw as Jewish lands?
> What the Muslims objected to was that Jews stopped being their
> dhimmis.
How did they do that? Did they have Jewish civil rights demonstrations,
and they Muslims killed them for that? No? Oh, they stole land ok?
That is how they opposed dhimmitude.
> >Hmmmmmm maybe. Would you include the Khatami (Iran) crowd in with
> >that? Or the PLO? Remember the PLO had Naturei Karta members
> sitting
> >on their Central Committee, and on a recent trip to New York, Khatami
> >was accompanied by Naturei Karta folks,
> That's pretty damned funny, when you consider what would happen to the
> PLO at the hands of the NKrakpots were the Messiah to arrive and allow
> the NK ayatollahs to establish THEIR sort of Jewish state.
Well.......that's not really here nor there.....
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> >Also an Islamist party in
> >Morocco recently formed an alliance with the Moroccan Jews. The
> >Tunisian and Moroccan governments have been very good to their Jews.
> >Libya is asking the Libyan Jews to come home and offering to pay them
> >for their losses.
> Very nice of them.
> >Syria prosecuted Palestinians who attacked Syrian Jews
> According to the State Department's 2000 Annual Report on
> International Religious Freedom. That was a while ago.
> >and Yemen tried to put a Yemeni Jew on the ballot for the
> >ruling party in Parliament.
> "In January 2001, the ruling "General People's Party" placed a Yemeni
> Jewish citizen on the slate for parliamentary elections for the first
> time. The candidate, Ibrahim Ezer, was reportedly recommended by
> President Ali Abdallah Salah as a gesture to the incoming Bush
> administration in a bid to receive economic aid for Yemen. The General
> Election Committee, subsequently rejected Ezer's application on
> grounds that a candidate must be the child of two Muslim parents.
> Political analysts speculated that the true reason was a desire not to
> establish a precedent of allowing a Jew to run for office."
> - Jerusalem Post, (January 30, 2001), Jews of Yemen (see above for
> link).
Well take your little bits of progress as you get them......
> >There are 300 Samaritan (Jews) living in the
> >West Bank and they have no problems at all.
> "Being neither Jewish nor Muslim, they have found advantage in their
> symbolic value to both Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
> Samaritans living in Israel have long been granted Israeli
> citizenship, and two years ago, Israel permitted the Samaritans who
> live in the West Bank to obtain Israeli passports. The Palestinian
> Authority, which rules portions of the West Bank and issued them its
> own passports, lets them hold both."
> - http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/samaris.htm
Anyone knows a Samaritan practices Judaism, more or less.....
> >1/3 of the ISM'ers are Jewish, living with the Palestinians,
> >and they report no problems at all.
> ISM'ers?
International Solidarity Movement.
> >Aren't we really talking about some fundamentalists here, and not
> just
> >ordinary Muslims?
> How do these bits from THE PALESTINE INFORMATION CENTER - THE VOICE OF
> PALESTINE strike you?
Hamas....
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> "The Holy Qur'an has sufficiently provided us with the ways to
> identify the Jewish manners and has warned us regarding their
> debauchery and immorality."
> "We should not follow the deviated stories of the Children of Israel,
> which abuse both prophets and God."
> "The deviated Torah and the Talmud, for instance, say that God (the
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