4 Feb 2006 @ 23:43 by vibrani : These guys don't know
if Mohammad gives a damn about these cartoons. Mo was just a man. Not a god. Just as Jesus was a man, not a god. Same with Buddha. Same with Moses. Where are the goddesses? Ah yes, not there.
If one is confident in their own beliefs, nothing will sway them and it won't matter what anybody else says or thinks about it. As long as they don't force it on anybody else.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 00:12 by بو عبد الله @62.150.186.29 : المشكله اعمق بكثير
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5 Feb 2006 @ 00:26 by infinitynexus @82.192.160.50 : Nothing wrong with religion
Theres actually nothing wrong with religion.. in its own sense, its a decent alternative to the rules of the jungle.. But every religion fails BECAUSE theres people with power who are corrupted in it.. humans are the failure, not the religion
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5 Feb 2006 @ 00:31 by martin @62.252.224.13 : TRANSLATION OF ARBIC CRAP
THIS IS A TRANSLATION OF ARBIC CRAP USING TRASNLATION SOFTWARE
Understood [xaaTY] big because of [nqS] [aalme'lwmh] is learning in to the schools [fY] [aawrbaa] ignores and in shackles [mte'mdtthqyf] the people [aalGrbyh] [baaY] [shY] around the people [aaltY] living in their side is reputation about human [aawrbY] [ytqn] [aale'rbyh] of course rare is banner [fY] [aawrbaa] [aaY] his perceptive wrote [baale'rbY] of course not….What teach them. .[Hwl] their limes punching will say….(for de their blistered and for their his his backward shelter people savage)..[wk'an] Arabic did not contribute [baaY] [shY] [fYtaaryx] [aalbshryh] [aalmshklh] [yaa] [aaxwaanY] in to there from bundles on that formation the roses of self of color one and this in the printing [shY] other than acceptable blessings there [aashyaa'slbyh] many his from side of the people [aale'rbyh] [waalmslmh] and to are from the their scientist the strangenesses so Hill of the crows leads the people on her educations of mother kisses in that them studied to believe in to [aaY] color their color contradicts. Intend [hnaaaalthqaafh] transient this [aalthqaafh] backward his this way imagining know in to most of western not knows [aaY] [shY] about Arabic and conceded and many from them [bd'ayqr'abe'd] renewing September [aalbshe'h] [lmaadhaalaanhm] forbidden before [qaadthm]0[aalfkryyn]. This [hY] [aalHqyqh] happening the matter there old date [sY] between Muslim (Arabic and change them) and the people [aalaawrbyh] your weakness a lot of the matters [aaltY] [ytnaaqlhaakl] edge according to his of interpretation and to are that [aardnaaaan] defeat extreme [fY] all side on the side [aalGrbY] the pregnancy big be soft [aalwsylh] under their hands of idealization (how can to tell the truth in to France [aaltY] [brlmaanhaaye'tbr] his occupation for islands humanitarian works was. How tell the truth that the cerebration [aalaansaanY] became dominant [baaltaakyd] [laaaaaaaaaa]) [aalmshklh] his cerebrations and not economic his yes we [fY] the world [aalaaslaamY] [waale'rbY] on us to develop [te'lymnaawe'lY] the crows that [ybdaa'] [kdhllk]
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5 Feb 2006 @ 00:34 by john @69.181.51.251 : RE: Mohammed cartoons
Isn't the primary tenet of islam that there is only one god named allah and mohammed is his last phophet. Isn't that statement alone offensive to anyone who believes otherwise.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 00:36 by vibrani : It's rubbish
to me. Not offensive, particularly. Shows their lack of compassion or respect for anyone not a Muslim, shows lots of ignorance and a bad ego, inferiority complex. Martin, does that actually make sense to anyone? If so, they have no mind (that means intelligence, wisdom and heart).
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5 Feb 2006 @ 00:43 by Ultrecht @68.251.110.150 : At your own risk
I find it amazing that we are consistantly having to watch what we say and fear the reprecussion related to our minds. I want to feel strongly about opening all boarders and letting people go and say what they want at will. But proven by some religious communities, letting some people cross boarders, is a mistake in absolute. I am a Christian by upbringing and love the fact that as an American, I can question the validity of my faith and the history of the written word. You just have to pose a question to yourself, no matter what your faith is. Why would God pit two religious factions against each other? What purpose does it serve? We learn two different contradictory lessons from religion. God is caring and compassionate and God is a vengful and retributional being of swift justice and total anhialation. If this is your belief, then it explains tornadoes, hurricanes and flooding in the United States. It explains drought, abject poverty, and civil unrest in the Middle East. If you want to take a lesson from religion, this should be it. All religions are at fault as far as many are concerned. These are much bigger issues, than some idiot with a pencil drawing a picture that offends you. I'll tell you what, everyone that is interested can send me a picture of your mothers and I will draw something really offensive for you. Muslims, Christians, Buddists, Taoists, Shintoists, Moroms, Hindus, Kabalists, or the worshippers of any animal on earth. So, in all respects to everyone who will read this, may God give you and your families peace and prosperity, and grow the f*** up. Oh and I think STOP STOP WE ARE ALL OUT OF VIRGINS is the funniest one.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 00:43 by Rick @216.175.66.24 : Lost in translation
Martin, well that certainly lost something in machine translation.
Infinitynexus, its pretty hard to argue with the maxim "Absolute power corrupts absolutely". I don't buy the argument that that is why religion fails us, however, since it is ultimately based on relationship between the individual and God. I don't think it's God that's trying to muck up the relationship either!
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5 Feb 2006 @ 01:05 by martin @62.252.224.13 : translation
yup it just shows that the arabic language has changed over the years as the translation program (its costs £1000 and i got it for translating german and italian not for the arabic translation) used the quran as a guide to the language as muslim scholers claim that arabic has not changed since the writtin down of the quran ... bollocks if thats true the translation should be perfect LOL
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5 Feb 2006 @ 01:09 by martin @62.252.224.13 : iqra
for all you muslims the site iqraleeds was designed and produced by me for the bookshop the intor was designed and produced by me including the recording do you know what it is ? [link]
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5 Feb 2006 @ 01:16 by Rick @216.175.66.24 : Another translation attempt
I don't read arabic and it's frustrating not knowing what the author originally intended to convey so I gave a shot using [link]
"They sewed a big because of the decrease of the information does it know that the schools in Europe neglect and by the form of the western Mtamdtthqif of the nations with any grilling around the nations who live in their side did I hear about an European human he masters the arabic a rare printing Wright appeared in Europe any mark wrote by the Arab of course no ....What know them ..Around their neighbours I will say for you ....( they have an oil but they are nations a barbaric is its backward ) ..And as if the Arabs did not contribute with any grilling of the human Fatarikh the problem O a Muslim Brotherhood by that there who insists that they is the roses with a single colour and this definitely an unacceptable grilling yes there the Ishiaslbeh of its many from the nations the Arab and Muslim but who leads the world they are the West then do the West turn by the nations to its cultures or that they studied so that they believe that any colour disagrees with their colour .. I mean Hnalthqafh, this culture its backward so they learned an imagination that most of the Westerners do not know any grilling about the Arabs and the Muslims and many of them the Bdayqrabad of the hideous events of September is a forbidden Lmazalanhm from their leaders 0 intellectual . This is the truth the matter reality is there an old history the European Sa between the Muslims ( the Arabs and others ) the Muslims ( the Arabs and others ) and the nations and there many of the matters that end Ytnaqlhakl according to its interpretation but that Irdnan defeats the extremists in each side on the western side the greatest load because the means is under their hands an example ( how I can believe by that France that the Brlmanhaeatbr of its occupation to Algeria was a human work ..How I believe that the human thought became dominant certainly Laaa ) the problem is intellectual and is not economic yes we in the Islamic world and the Arab ones on us that we develop the West Talimnaoala that it shows"
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5 Feb 2006 @ 01:17 by Support Change In the Middle East @68.251.110.150 : Have fun with this one
Why would anyone in thier right mind go to the Middle East to learn Islam, when extremists there kidnap people, threaten and actually behead innocent people. Why would you even get mad about Western countries coming in and trying to establish peace when you can't obtain it on your own. You can get mad at America or any other country as much as you want, because even though some innocent people are dying, it doesn't compare to the millions murdered by a hitleresque HUMAN BEING in Iraq, you are getting ready to hold as a martire. When it comes down to it, I was not for the war in Iraq. If a whole country can't converge on a centralized power based on breaking legs and raping women to save themselves and the future of thier own children, then why should I really give two shits. I was however in favor of a CIA assasination of the so loved dictator. Why would anyone kill Christians when as a whole, they don't represent government or governmental views? They come over as missionaries and bring food and hope for education for all (MEN AND WOMEN)who are both equal in GOD'S EYES. If women were really inferior as a whole, then why aren't men carrying babies for nine months and growing breasts. Women are inferior and no one can really objectively fight this issue, but Men are equally inferior to women. Women have babies, have better control of thier mental facilities, are more objective when it comes to thought, and have a higher tolerance for pain. Men just hit harder, and yell louder. Christians, don't converge and start riots, kidnap people, cut thier heads off in praise of retribution. This was the mode of demonstration during the Crusades, and practiced by both sides. There comes a time when you have to negotiate. We have been there for a long time. If you don't get there soon, then you will just destroy yourself. God is the Only God and JESUS WAS HIS SON. Praise God. By the way, Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world. What did Moehammed do? I don't know how to spell his name since I can't find it in the Bible. If you read the Koran carefully you will see that his name wasn't actually Mohammed. Her name was Amalya Shamat from Damascus.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 01:35 by Leif @83.219.199.121 : ignorance
This is a case of ignorance feeding on itself! Westerners who are upset that muslims are offended by something individuals in Denmark have published have themselves to blame and muslims upset with westerners for something individuals in Denmark published, ditto. Ironically due to all of their own ignorance the whole world is focusing on pictures of someone who should apparently never be seen. Way to go media for bringing that into the light. remind me never to draw a picture of mohammed for any of my muslim friends, the subject never came up... Ignorance just keeps getting more and more dangerous. Who knows maybe someday everybody will be put to death for any and all spiritual beliefs and the animals will clean up the mess ignorance of mankind created.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 01:38 by blueboy : "Islam will win in the end"
this just shows what's wrong with particular fundamentalism -regardless which one it is: Everyone of them sees themselves secretly-and sometimes not so secretly- as the -sole- Winner "in the end"!...CROOKS ALWAYS WORK TOWARDS THAT END!!! Oftentimes they use eachother as accomplises, each having a secret Plan how to get rid of the accomplises once the /Goal/Trophy is achieved/gathered; just like in "A Fish Called Wanda"!!!
How can you say such a thing: "Islam will win in the end". Is your own psychology ( all religions are an expression of psychology )a question of competition -like in Pissing Match- in the name of God?... Learn to heal your aching soul instead and learn to relate to ALL sad feelings be it felt by you or someone else -even women!!!! Learn to feel compassion when seeing someone in distress... -or even just because they exist! The Jesuites, who like to be cruel to little Altar boys, think the same; "we will eventually win". Bush with his twisted "christianity" is sure he'll win "in the end" . On 'n' on it goes!... Geeez guys!
So, let's cut through ALL "religious" "ideological" "sacred" chase and be a little Down to earth REAL: Peniscomplex; that's what you all have!... afraid the guy Nextdoor will have a bigger n better!... MuuuuchoMachoooo!You are all pathetic! 'n you know what guys; these cartoons here are quite funny! Gave me a good chuckle!... -especially pic nr four! Then again, this is NOT the first time I see some GOOD cartoons/charicatures about some repetitious stupidity being held sacred by some MuchoMachotwits!...
In the link here is much more Life-important - IF your frazzled nerves can allow you to any thinking resembling CLEAR thinking!... I know, that IS to ask a LOT ... most men (read older boys) are genuienly not able to think past the ever shrinking treasures in their pants!...
[link]
Let's be fair here, there's a lot of crapp in fundamentalism Islam, just like in fundamentalism 'Christianity' and the rest of the fundamentlism religions!
Common decency towards ALL, goes a long way in creating Understanding and more Harmony among ALL people! EVERYBODY: TRY THAT FOR A WEEK and see/feel the difference in your Human interactions! This, BTW, is a "job" that is "never" finished for ANY of us, I don't think.... In other words: It has to become our "Way of life"!
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5 Feb 2006 @ 02:31 by jew @216.67.40.96 : arabs
I don't understand why we, the advanced westerners don't just bomb to shit
iran' nukelar sites and in general ground them with airforce whenever they show
they scrawny little balls. I am sure that would make them turn to christianity
and civilized ways. You can try to convince a dog that your argument is correct
but unless you stick it's face into kaka it won't stop shitting on your carpet.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 02:32 by Wake Up Europe !!!! @70.237.228.12 : Fuck Allah Fuck Allah
I don't know who is the bigger idiots Muslims or Europeans for lettings Muslims in. Send them back to the desert or fire up the stoves!!!! SS
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5 Feb 2006 @ 02:39 by Mani @204.210.237.22 : Moderation and tolerance please
I was born a muslim and grew up as a moderate muslim. I left when my secular countery was seized by islamic fundamentalism. I am familiar and fearful of islamic fundumentalism, but I am not fearful of Islam and neither should anyone elsebe. Having lived in europe and the US I have seen the many faces of intolerance, by muslims as well as by non-muslims. I have also seen gnerosity, kindness, tolerance and acceptance by both. The current reaction of the "muslim world" to the cartoons is an unfortunate developement. However, the messages of hate in responce to the reaction, posted on this website by the islam-hating westerners, is also unfortunate. What grabs and disturbs me is the call to violence and anhilation that is heard with increasing ferquency by both sides. It is as if there is a recurring human need for blood and we are looking for excuses to start demanding it and shedding it yet again on a gigantic scale in the 21st century. The current mentality of live or kill the muslims makes me wonder if we don't live a preamble to a 21st century genocide of the muslims, or anyone who is suspected of being one. This is what a lot of moderate muslims fear. We must remeber and watch out for our own individual tendencies towards violence, and look everyday to remove the seeds of violence from our hearts and intolerance. Many advocates of free speech on this website are enraged at the reaction of the muslims to the cartoons. I wished that muslims had a better sense of humor, but not all of them do(Elizabeth eloquently and generously explained the reasons). With an eye on our own hearts let's remeber that we can't demand of people to have a sense of humor, we cann't demand that they be able to laugh at themselves.
I agree that islamic fanaticism is a menace to the globe, as is exploitation of the poorer countries, poverty and ilitracy. For me and my family, the west has been the refuge from the opressions of an islamic government. I believe that the existence of western democracy and tolerance require continuos hard work by responsible, sensible people. The biggest menace to the western democracy might be the knee jerk reactions of some of its people and the nurturing of hate values. Today it is the muslims who must be crushed, tomorrow the chinese, then the gays, then the artists, etc. History has shown that one generation is indeed capable of wiping out centuries of cultural growth and advancement. So please, let's be careful with what we have.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 02:40 by Stefan Karns @69.234.210.45 : Mohammed Cartoons
It is only a matter of time before Muslims take over European countries democratic establishments due to the rapidly growing population relative to the "indigent" Europeans. Take the blinders off your eyes and see the apolocyptic danger right before you. Mohammed preached Jihad to enforce the constant struggle against the "infidels". What is the answer? That is for the populace to decide. A truly frightening episode that should shake Europe and the rest of the world to its foundation. God help us all.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 03:09 by jan kramer @70.230.172.209 : Mohammed Cartoons
The freedom of expression cannot be stopped because of religious beliefs. Religion is not fact. It is a set of rules, guidelines, whatever you prefer to call it, by which people use to live their lives. The reason people suffer so much in the Middle East and other predominately Islamic Nations is because religion is the ruler, and not the people themselves. The World has not declared war on Islam. Rather it is the Islamic World and their view of "Holy War" that will ultimately lead to their own destruction.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 04:56 by Arkady @203.59.198.116 : Freedom
I'd like to draw a parrallel between the publication of cariacatures of Mohamed and the culture from whence they came. I'm not certain why *exactly portraying an image of Mohamed is considered to be so bad, however I will guess by agreeing with Ming and basing it on the idolatory principle.
In certain Aboriginal cultures here in Australia, it is considered disgraceful nay offensive to take a photograph of said person. It is believed that in doing so you will capture a part of that persons spirit, never to return.
However, in the interests of living in a free society, it is my understanding that if such a picture could be offensive to them, they simply look the other way and make a choice not to purchase the paper or article that contains the pictures. Note, we don't put disclaimers up, nor do we censor our press for that reason.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that you will never please everybody all of the time, however in a true democracy you do have the power to demonstrate your feelings, be it by voice, text, or simply by using your feet and exercising your right to walk away.
These pictures are neither offensive or racist, nor are they a targeted or systematic attack on the muslim community. If these pictures offend you, then please tune out (if on TV) or choose not to purchase the paper. You will then have exercised a more powerful democratic freedom than the random rhetoric so easily left.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 05:00 by victoria @203.167.15.117 : abolish intolerance
thank you for posting the cartoons. I found them on a French website and couldn't understand the captions. BTW, I just came out from a long retreat -- stayed away from TV, radio and papers. Hmmm, well the world is on fire or so it seems because of cartoons. I trust that one day people will see just how ridiculous this situation is and how pathetic people can get by being so violent about a difference in opinion and ideas.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 06:08 by Everyone get a grip @68.106.66.148 : Calm down!
These are cartoons. Laugh if you want. Ignore them if you want. But, for all our sakes, get a grip. Religious intolerance from whatever background (Muslim, Christian, etc.) is truly ridiculous. All the religions teach tolerance but their adherents seem to ignore this aspect of their belief systems. Hey, everyoe, turn the other cheek, and be kind to one another as your prophets have preached to you.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 07:33 by fieldmarshall @196.1.53.7 : moroccan
Unbeliavable that one has decided to lock himself in a cage and stay in morocco simply because he,ll be linked with terrorism. One can't go for further studies abroad simply bse he doesn't wanna leave the fellows muslims in morocco. With two legs, you'll set the pace!
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5 Feb 2006 @ 08:24 by yek_irani @87.247.162.4 : dahane hamatoono servis mikonam
bad bakhta ba in karetoon na tanha too in donya dahanetoon servis mishe
balke too oon donya ham servis mishin ridam dahane har chi USA va England ie
hamin ja ghasam mikhoram ta oonjaee ke dastam bar miad az irane azizam va har emamo payambari ke ghabool daram defa mikonam ashghala
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5 Feb 2006 @ 09:37 by nemue : Cause for cause sake
You have to question the maturity of people who whip themselves up over these cartoons. This is cause for cause sake. For gods sake GROW UP....
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5 Feb 2006 @ 10:30 by Mohammad Kanaan @212.77.203.246 : An opinion about the cartoons
Please read the first part of this article. It sheds some light as to why we Muslims don't feel that those provacative and racist cartoons are a laughing matter.
[link]
cheers
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5 Feb 2006 @ 10:41 by Melanie @82.112.142.248 : UK prospective
These demonstrations will end up doing nothing for Islam in England. The British National Party and similar parties will only gain more support in their wish in getting rid of such people. The placards displayed yesterday in London makes you wonder why we have allowed so many such people into this country. Religion has always been the creator of war and nowadays its only the Antheists that seem to be able to live in piece. This reaction to some cartoonist has been well and truely over the top, and will only damage peoples views of Islam even further.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 10:57 by jazzolog : Please Consider This Opinion As Well
Thank you Mohammad for introducing me to Aziz Duwaik and his view~~~
"We respect press freedom, but ridiculing and besmirching our religious symbols is not press freedom. There is a conspicuous malicious intent here, and people's right not to be insulted and offended overrides a Danish newspaper's right to insult the prophet of Islam. Besides, we are living in a global village now, and we should respect each other.
"And we value our religion and our prophet (peace be upon him). Press freedom is a great ideal. However, could one argue that Hitler and the Nazis were practising their freedom prior to the Holocaust? We know the Holocaust started with cartoons like this against Jews..."
Very good point. May I refer you as well, new friend, to a column in Friday's Spiegel? Its author is Ibn Warraq, who was educated in Koran schools in Pakistan and later in England. He currently lives in the United States and writes under a pen name traditionally used by dissidents in Islam. I think his article reveals an important difference in our cultures perhaps, a difference from which we both might learn and benefit. I realize his tone may be offensive, but his idea about "free expression" seems to be the major argument in this discussion~~~
"The cartoons in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten raise the most important question of our times: freedom of expression. Are we in the west going to cave into pressure from societies with a medieval mindset, or are we going to defend our most precious freedom -- freedom of expression, a freedom for which thousands of people sacrificed their lives?
"A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth."
[link]
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5 Feb 2006 @ 11:11 by Jon @82.112.142.248 : Another UK look
I don't think no matter how offensive these cartoons have been that placards displayed in London with death threats is justifyable, especially when over 50 innocwnt people were only murdered last summer in the name of religion. The UK has always prided itself in allowing so many asylum seekers in. But this is becomining to look like a massive mistake. Most white UK people don't give a monkeys about Islam, and are weary of have listen to fanatics preaching hatred. Good point though on the cartoonists of the pre-holocaust era. Though yet again, we have an Iranain president that tells us all that the holocause never happened and that hitler was sent by God. Maybe it is a case that Isalm is no longer a straight forward religion but a radicle one. To the West, it certainly comes across as much more bad then good.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 11:32 by Anders @212.242.236.152 : Am I the only one?
I actually like Islam even though I'm christian. It has many of the same ideas and laws as Christianity about treating people with respect, trying to understand instead of hating, and being a positive role-model instead of keeping to yourself.
I just wonder why there's a whole bunch of self-proclaimed muslims out there who doesn't practice it. The smallest thing threatens them, and up comes the Kalashnikovs, the bombs and the promises to kill every man, woman, and child in a country they've never been to.
An Imam from Saudi-Arabia travelling around Europe said in a speech some years ago that these times where the biggest crisis of the Muslim faith ever, because Muslims had become victims of fear and forgotten their values. He also said that it was up to the Muslims in the west to open the dialogue..
..I wonder if that's what they thought they were doing when two of them knocked over my local hot-dog stand here in Copenhagen yesterday and beat the vendor with clubs for selling "unclean" meat?
(A few have mentioned how christian Denmark would react to a cartoon of Jesus with a swastika on him.. Jeez.. been there done that.. You could draw him with a swastika covered dildo up his ### and we would still just laugh it off and go to church smiling.)
(btw Ming the line-up shows, among other things, one of our most right-wing politicians dressed up as Mohammed.. Pretty funny piss on the right wing, if it wasn't because it apparently went completely above a billion Muslims head)
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5 Feb 2006 @ 11:44 by Mohammad Kanaan @212.77.203.246 : Unwise
> I don't think no matter how offensive these cartoons have been that placards displayed in London with death threats is justifyable.
Fully agree. They are not only Un-Islamic and pure criminal, they are stupid. They contribute to us Muslims losing another just argument because of stupidity.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 13:00 by STEVE @195.10.45.154 : moHAMmed
I'll be tolerant of islam when i see a church built in Mecca. Our tolerance is seen as a weakness by these madmen. Every mosque should be considered a trojan horse
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5 Feb 2006 @ 13:11 by بوعبدالله @213.189.73.111 : martin + rick
بالتاكيد الترجمه كانت بها اخطاء كثيره غيرت المعنى,,,,,,,, وهنا تقع المشكله ,كيف نتواصل اذا لااتعلم لغتكم وتتعلمون لغتى,,,, نحن فى العالم الاسلامى نحاول ان نتعلم لغتكم ونرسل ابنائنا ليتعلموا فى جامعاتكم ولكن من جانبكم هناك محاوله لرفض التواصل وهذه حقيقه,,, لكم ثقافتكم التى نحترمها ونقدرها ولكنكم بالتاكيد ترفضون ثقافتنا والشواهد كثيره ,,, هناك الكثير من شعوبكم من يعتقد بأن العرب شعوب لا تستحق الحياه,,, من اوصل الى هولاء هذه الفكره هل ولدواوهى معهم؟ بالتاكيد لا بل اكتسبوها من واقع حياتكم لماذا الاصرار ,, اما انكون مثلكم او تلغوننا ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ كل ما اريد قوله يجب ان نفهم بأن الورود لها الوان كثيره وكلها جميله؟! نحن فى العالم العربى والسلامى بالتاكيد بحاجه الى تتطوير التعليم واشيا كثيره أخرى,,,,,,,,,, ولكن ولكن ولكن انتم فى الغرب بحاجه الى تغير نظرتكم الى جيرانكم العرب والمسلمين ,,,,,, اتمنى من كل قلبى عندما أزور أوربا أجد ارشادات للطرق أو فى الفنادق أو المستشفيات أوالاسواق مكتوبه فى اللغه العربيه,, هنا ٍأعلم بأنكم على الطريق الصح وهو تقبل الأخر,,,, اتمنى من كل قلبى ان نعود ألى أنسانيتنا جميعا و أن نعلم بأن ما يفرض بالقوه ليس ظمانا للامان بل القوه حسب التاريخ تنتقل بين الشعوب نعم من حقكم ومن حق كل انسان ان يقول ما يريد أو يرسم ما يريد ولكن القضيه اكبر من هذه الرسوم ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, منى لكم كل الحب
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5 Feb 2006 @ 13:24 by terry wasik @64.230.106.197 : violence in CARtoons
Hello EARTHLINGS, how are you today ?
Why is it so easy to have peeple react to drawings of other peeple that are so-called LEADERS ,when other peeple are starving and HOMELESS that need MORE HELP and SUPPORT ??!!
if this is a so-called INTELLIGENT SPECIE then why are not peeple of this PLANET HELPING each other FOOD and CLOTHING instead of burning homes and buildings ? is it easier to BUILD bombes and bullets then to ASSEMBLE GROUPES of MALES and / or FEMALES to BUILD a BETTER,SAFER PLANET ? is that not GOODWILL is supposed to be ??
BUTT of course,no one wants to WATCH peeple HELPING peeple...they wood rather watch peeple bombing and killing peeple and manufacturating more coffins...god bless this planet of beautiful creatures that evolution created !!
love from CORNWALL ,ONTARIO,CANADA.
BUCKLE UP ...drive safe / soyez prudent !
merci beaucoup,muchas gracias ,thank you very much Mr.Bill Gates for thee INFORMATION HIGHWAY !! (thee road ahead ...is for FREEDOM of SPEECH of thee SEXES...)
why is there always males carrying bombes and guns and shooting peeple...??
isnt the pope in CARtoons as well ?? and he is roomered to be GAY ( as he walks around carrying a NAKED guy !!)
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5 Feb 2006 @ 13:29 by king james @64.230.106.197 : i wanna be a ARTIST
i wanna be a ARTIST and to play in thee SUPER BOWL ...god bless america and all VIRGINS in IRAQ !!
i wanna have 40 wives and all thee VIAGRA that is EQUAL to BARRELS OF OIL !allah is great....butt WOMEN are GREATEST !!
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5 Feb 2006 @ 14:17 by God @82.123.19.124 : ALLAH IS THE DEVIL !
You muslim fools have been seduced by Satan !
Muhammed (piss be upon him) was a devil worshipper, a pedophile who stalked 6yo girls, a rapist and a murderer... he was also encouraging slavery and hatred of other races and religions, especially the Jews.
... and to top it all, this false prophet was also into scatology and possibly beastility.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 14:37 by Habib @211.30.219.100 : cartoons
The cartoons are an accurate reflection of the behaviour of muslims and the behaviour they (the cartoons) incited is also fairly typical of the aformentioned group. Muslims in the west must understand that they are not living in islamic states, which was their own decision. If they are not happy with freedom of expression then they should not have chosen to live in countries where freedom of expression is practiced. I am originally Middle Eastern and have some muslim friends who I hold in great regard.. I know that muslims do not respect other religions as much as they profess. I have heard muslims making fun of other religions. I do not take offence except when they then turn around and take offence if others dare to make fun of there religion... which it now appears (Judging from the behaviour of its followers) deserves a great deal of piss taken out of it.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 15:16 by Adrian @81.181.94.122 : europeans should be ashamed
I think that all europeans in which countries these cartoons appeared should be ashamed of yourselfs.You don't realise what you have done.You cannot make fun about something that's holy.If the arabs would have made such a cartoon of your God you would have destroyed all of them but you believe that is not the same with arabs.God forgive you sins and you should pray that this ends here, because we don't want to see people dead because of a stupid from Denmark that is responsable for these cartoons.
I'm not an arab, i'm an european but I respect the religious beliefs of others and I thnik you should do that to.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 15:38 by Drew @24.50.36.55 : Accountability
I think many of us are overlooking a very simple fact. The Muslim world has allowed there religion to be completely hijacked by terrorists - either through complicity or inaction. The world is slowly beginning to be unable to separate terror from Islam. How many people viewed the whole German population as responsible for the attrocities carried out by the Nazis during WW2? Without a large and obvious attempt by the Germans who did not sympathize with Hitler and his henchmen to directly confront his policies they became, by way of inaction, commplicite with the future attrocities carried out under his regime. So to does the Muslim world then become responsible for the actions carried out in their name when they are not emphatically rebuked by the Muslim world. We are lossing the will in the West to appreciate and respect the Islamic world, for it is becomming very clear they care so little for us. Sure the Muslims of the world are outraged, they have every right to be, but I belive it is time for some reflection on their part. What does it mean to be outraged about the dipictions of Mohammed in European news papers when you were already calling for the blood of the Europeans from the relative safety of Paris, London, Madrid, etc.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 16:07 by Al @62.252.128.16 : cartoons
We all have to realise that the reaction to these cartoons is symptom of what is happening in the world today,and that if we are all not very careful,the way the fututer is heading.The question I pose is this:-How do we want to live in the future?Is it under a system of capitalist tolerance to all ways of life whether it is christian,agnostic,atheistic ,muslim or jewish etc and where in the past people who hold or live within this system have fought against those who have sought to persecute those from a different race or belief.Or is it one where the extremes of islamic belief want a return to an interpretation of the prophet that would return their region to the 7th century and all the good living that was to be had at that time,E.g. under the taliban where sikhs were made to wear yellow stars,where in Saudi arabia people are prosecuted for practising their alternative religion.Where in the same country non- beleavers are still not allowed into the holy city of Mecca,and where women are essentailly covered up because the immaturity and jealousy's of the men in certain countries can't abide another man looking at 'their' woman.
Well I know what my choice is,and I know the 'west'is'nt perfect with it's extremes of porn,decadence,debauchery and the like,but hey having a beer,looking at the beautiful people around me and being able to say what I like within the boundaries of consenting and mature adults is the place I want to live in.It's a cartoon man chill out.
Respect is about acceptance of others even with their faults,and with acceptance come's love
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5 Feb 2006 @ 16:09 by aaa zz @81.10.76.126 : stop it plzz
i am egyptian and muslim i never heared any muslim talking in a bad way about jesus or any other prophet why cant you just let us leave in peace these cartoons are discusting ,what would you feel if we said things like this about jesus(by the way we cant because he is one of god`s prophets who we love )just stop it and apologise for god sake
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5 Feb 2006 @ 16:37 by Fathead @203.59.83.165 : Walks Like a Duck
What we're seeing here is the manifestation of rule by terror. Now they want respect. For what, exactly? Sunni vs Shiite? The Taliban? Saddam Hussein? Iran? Irag? Saudi Arabia? Palestine? Syria? Egypt? I'm sure there are plenty more shining examples of what Islam can do for the rest of the world.
A few cartoons is nothing. Just so long its on the record that any attempt to push the west into Islam is going to be met with severe resistance. By that time the arab states will have effectively alienated the entire population of the west...
Still if there ever was global war and there were only two factions left, the Scientologists and the Mohammedans, the Scientologists would win because of their innate ability to subvert justice, lie and generally stack the deck.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 16:47 by vibrani : What would be better of 2 evils?
You might be right about that, and that doesn't make me feel any better.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 16:49 by billy hell @69.162.177.236 : so.
if something offends someone, why is the reaction is violence? how is that even reasonable? are people really that screwed up in their heads? That goes for America's christian facist zombie brigade and all the psycho bomb laced terrorists as well. Violence never solves anything in the long term, it just builds up until all hell breaks loose and nothing is controlable -- like whats happening now.
We've already fucked ourselves in the ass as a World population, no one knows how to get along and they've stopped trying. We just hit and shoot and yell at each other, fuck, we can't even get along in our own damn countries. All this fucking ego bullshit. ALL of you asshole dipshit selfabsorbed fucks need to have some humility and swallow your goddamn pride.
Screw anything that promotes violence. Quasi-Christians and Quasi-Muslims alike. Your religions are not about killing the others. Fucking fake ass people. Wake up and realize your true humanity and not this extremism propaganda.
MAY GOD/BUDDHA/ALA/WHOEVER SAVE US ALL!
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5 Feb 2006 @ 17:02 by vibrani : A Catholic priest
was murdered over this, in Turkey. Danish Consulate in Lebanon is on fire. Muslims are calling to cut up Danish people. A bomb goes off on a Pakistani bus killing many people. Don't Muslims have anything better to do?
What is very weird is that there were many churches set on fire in
the U.S.
I think it's showing or taking a hell of a lot of restraint on the western world's part not to blow Muslims to kingdom come. Under these circumstances, maybe restraint might not be the best way to go? Muslims feel pretty confident the west won't do much to put an end to their violent behavior and attempts to push everything further along the brink of planetary destruction. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Hamas. Maybe the west is just hoping this will go away?!
Muslims - we have seen plenty of nasty depictions of non-Muslims in your own newspapers, plus the constant encouragement to murder non-Muslims, so don't cry about a few silly cartoons in a Danish paper.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 19:27 by Mohammed @213.217.37.184 : Just a Comment
Though you hate us,we all love you and your prophet,Jesus,son of God.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 19:53 by Larry @134.78.110.18 : Islam Vs. Reason
Islam is a dangerous neurosis. Probably more dangerous than the Christians psychosis of the fourteenth century.
I'm in agreement that that Western world is showing amazing restraint in not launching a full scale attack on the Islamic States, and their "excuses" to kill in the name of their mythology.
Everything in moderation. Since Islam is exactly the opposite of a "moderate" belief system, it is probably the most serious threat to world peace.
Good people use religion in moderation to try and lead a better life and teach good morals. No matter what the religion, it fills a void for some people. When a religion ceases to be completely peaceful and completely tolerant of everyone, regardless of belief or non-belief, it ceases to be a religion, and becomes a fanatical fundamentalists excuse to promote and take part in violence against other human beings.
When beliefs get to this point, it is civilized societies RESPONSIBILITY to every living creature on this earth to stop it dead in it's tracks. To allow it to continue is to turn a blind eye horrific crimes against humanity.
When that "belief" extends beyond helping others and leading a moderate life, it is nothing more than a dangerous psychosis that has no place in civilized society.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 20:06 by peace2live @82.76.249.47 : "Love each other as I loved you!"
All you talked about the whole stuff is wrong. The only idea that matters is that: we can leave peacefully in harmony on this earth. it's not usefull the bloodshed to pursued the other one you're right and his wrong.
But, in this issue we have 2 religions and 2 figures:
1. Jesus, the God and the Word of God, Who sacrified Himself for the World.
2. Mohammed, the last biggest Prophet of the World, who was talked with
Gavriil archangel.
Both of them promoted peace, love and tolerance between human beings.
Without it, in this world, there's no peace, no love, no joy of life, no freedom.
The crime against brother is continuing for 7.000 years!
So, respect each other, tolerate each other and love each other.
STOP! BEFORE IS TOO LATE! Let's don't kill brothers, no matter belief, religion, colour, race. (Abel; Bible, Creation book)
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5 Feb 2006 @ 20:08 by vibrani : Mohammed
we're not all into some religion! Jesus isn't my prophet or God. If you love us, show it...tell your people to show it, eh?
Larry, that was well stated.
Seems the Danish newspaper apologized - caved in - and that still doesn't stop the Muslims from rioting.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 20:09 by test @62.219.238.63 : track
tracking
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5 Feb 2006 @ 20:29 by Karlos @81.231.245.134 : Well
The riots isn´t about the cartoons anymore. People with power are using it as excuse. Freedom of speech wouldn´t be bad in the arab countries...
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5 Feb 2006 @ 21:09 by Michael @203.206.40.179 : Muslim divide
Hi, I just happened accross this blog from a google search. It seems to me that all the problems 'muslims' are presently haveing seem to be linked to the two differing classes of muslims. The peace loving (as I know them) and the fanatic few... Maybe what is needed to restore the good name of muslims is that the peace loving muslims openly reject those that incite violence? or is there a religious reason this is not possible?
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5 Feb 2006 @ 21:23 by Michael @203.206.40.179 : see above
I mean... Muslims seem to be seperated into two groups those that say they wish for peace and then the ones you see on TV committing acts of violence. I know that muslims have been 'misstreated' by white man for hundreds of years and generally persecuted by christianity but when is it all going to stop? Someone has to get off their high horse and offer the other party forgiveness. Isnt that what religion is all about? As long as the violent muslims are sheltered within your general religion this can never end. The only way to end this would be for 'peace loving' muslims to cast out and exile (at the very least) any muslim who would incite violence. Christians (the white world) do the same to murderers etc by sending them to jail.
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5 Feb 2006 @ 22:30 by Denmark @86.52.105.106 : Islam/Muslims
The whole story about the famous drawings have been debated in Denmark for several months in a civilized manner, when suddenly, after four months, some Muslims residing in Denmark decide that they want some more out of the story, travel to the Middle East to spread lies about Denmark to stir up people.
Apart from boycott of Danish goods, we now have threats of violence from Muslims. Some Muslims seem to have only one answer to any dispute: kill, kill, kill.
When the Prophet is depicted with a bomb, it is to illustrate the daily terror from Muslims killing people in the name of the Prophet, cutting the throat in the name of the Prophet and blasting bombs in the name of the Prophet. In my way of thinking it is these acts, in the name of the Prophet, that are really blasphemous, but apparently Muslims think differently, since they do nothing about it.
Although Muslims always think of themselves as victims, I can inform you that they are not considered so in the West, where most people, when hearing about Islam or Muslims think about terror, and who is to blame?
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5 Feb 2006 @ 23:49 by tony blair @83.67.11.89 : my view
Religion is soooooooo last millenium!!!!!
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6 Feb 2006 @ 00:46 by Al @62.252.128.16 : response to michael
The middle-east has not been mistreated by the west for hundreds of years unless you go back as far as the crusades,which in that case you will be right.However the period up to the battle of Lepanto in the 16th century saw the peak of muslim power in the world come to an end and the worries of central and eastern europeans of a muslim invasion subside.Luckily the Venetians put an end to that and since then the muslim world has fell into a dark age where it's rulers have subjegated it's people for generally their own gain.Losing it's prominance in all spheres of life from mathamatics and astrology and it's failure to jump into the industrial revolution,the middle-east has tore it's self apart,with a little help from colonial powers fighting over the scraps of the Ottaman empire.Muslims have to find a place for themselves as equals in this modern world and until they cease to stop thinking of themselves as victims they wont achieve this.Oil being found there in the last century has'nt helped but remember the kingdom of saud,egypt,syria and the like are just as much to blame as the west for this rush for the black stuff.It's all about power,whether your Bush,Mubarak or Assad.The people of the region have suffered but not just by the west's hands.They should look to themselves and as I'm sure the majority of muslims realize,the last thing they need is an Islamic caliphate based on a strict interpretation of the Koran.
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6 Feb 2006 @ 00:55 by Al @62.252.128.16 : p.s
Danish feta is'nt that great any way so it wont be that big a loss.
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6 Feb 2006 @ 01:12 by dk @86.52.105.106 : A good comment from the net
A Shit-Hole Full of Fools
Sometimes I wonder what have those thousands of years and hundreds of civilizations that passed through our region done to us? What have they offered? An accumulation of hatred, problems, disappointments, self-doubt, and wars.
Ever since we were small kids we were taught to brag about our past, the historic richness of our homeland. It was always implied to us that it is something to be proud of, but at times I start thinking that it is merely an act of stupidity.
For people like us, so rooted in their past and surrounded by all this history of conflicts, isn't it harder to start from scratch? At some point in time, that is what a civilization needs, starting from scratch. Putting all the past behind its back and moving on. Ataturk forced the Ottoman's to do so, the French revolution was successful in doing so, the Maoists of China attemted for a decade, and succeeded in seperating the past from their nation's future. The United States of America was built in a whole new continent... regardless of how successful those attempts and movements were, regardless of the names they hold, they made a difference.
We have been living in the shit-hole, this middle-east for centuries, going in circles, stuck to our past, not just stuck, but longing to go back to the old days, fighting our ancestors' battles and losing their wars over and over again.
I am desperate, I feel as if everyone I know is a fool who just does not grasp what we are going through, just endorsing hatred as an ideology and giving it names to avoid the guilt.
If only my people would educate themselves a bit, and try to understand the world, before asking the world to understand their complexes and insecurity.
What is this post all about?
Disappointment and despair.
A Muslim
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6 Feb 2006 @ 01:15 by vibrani : Thanks dk
for sharing your feelings. I think you make some important points.
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6 Feb 2006 @ 01:43 by Michael @203.206.40.179 : misstreatment (+ thanks dk)
I am going back as far as the crusades because that is as far back as their feelings of resentment go. We should start with the crusades (which were just a religious excuse for europeans to steal from Arabs) as these were the startings of much of the hatred today. However since that time we havnt exactly given them a reason to like us. The middle east has always been a very violent place and our meddling in their affairs would have done nothing but incense their hatred for us. How can we expect them to like us if we give them excuse after excuse to hate christian countries (america in particular)? You think that the creation of Israel and Kuwait (america meddling in middle east politics) and more recently Iraq (America backing, training, and outfitting Saddam in the 80's and then attacking the country when saddam didnt jump rope) are going to have no effect? Why do you think that the Iraqis want the americans out asap? Cause America is the only authority they hated more than saddam from the start. Of course the feelings of the local people will spread throughout the middle east so that more nations than just the iraqis will be affected. And dont quote 9/11 to me as a reason to invade iraq everyone knows that was a crock of sh!t. So whats going to happen now??? we attacked them (muslims... they like to generalize and say an attack on any one of them is an attack on all of them) again and now they will attack us again??? when is it going to end? America has already alienated Palestinians, Iraqi's (twice), Afgans, almost all communist/socialist countries, Africans (who starved at americas hand to repay international debt) and more I cant think of atm. Isnt it time America stopped being an agressor and started trying to actually spread the 'peace' message instead of trying to force peace with violence?
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6 Feb 2006 @ 01:58 by Michael @203.206.40.179 : my point
My point is... if you are trying to resolve difficulties with someone be it a person, nation, or religion you need to show that you are willing to compromise and accept them. If, on the other hand, every time they see you they get slapped for doing something you dont want them too they are unlikely to become your friend.
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6 Feb 2006 @ 02:33 by jock @80.176.140.38 : infidel jokes
The majority of people who are strongly supportive of the right to publish these cartoons are I believe not christians but secular citizens of democratic countries which mostly have christian traditions and history. The vast majority of those who are against the right to publish these cartoons are people who would describe themselves as muslims who either live in states which are muslim theocracies, sultanic dictatorships or those struggling for deserved independance viz. Palestine and Iraq. Because there is little or no free media in most of these countries the proletariat (not used as an insult) and it would appear many of the 'educated' elite tend to think of the citizens of Europe as christians and therefore when an insult is made on the islamic faith it is a crusade against muslims. The truth is the crusade is against bigotry, hypocrisy and grovelling genuflection (insult intended)from christians, jews, hindus, seikhs, muslims, scientologists, book burners and reactionary war mongers from rich and poor countries.
You will not find cartoonists and satirists burning, bombing or trying to ban those of you who have your faiths, but those who seek to destroy the right of others to think and express ideas deserve to be lampooned whatever their 'sacred idols' are. Perhaps those who are offended could take up the pen and show us their thoughts without invoking murderous deeds.
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6 Feb 2006 @ 03:28 by A Prophet @60.230.97.6 : You tell 'em TB
Following on from Tony Blair's comment, when are we going to grow up and let go of this security blanket called religion?
It's served it's purpose - we all know how to behave as moral, civilised creatures. That many choose not to is a different problem, which I believe is caused largely by our refusal to treat each other as equals.
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6 Feb 2006 @ 04:23 by dea @61.5.104.147 : comedy cause a tragedy
as a human being, there is a freedom. but what is the limitation of freedom?, it called "responsible" , to be responsible you need sensitivity and also empathy and a "brain" to think about the result from every action you take, that makes us different from animal and other creatures.
no matter what is your religion, your faith or what you believe, just thing simple, and use empathy. freedom without limitation is a selfish and egoist more worse than those who fanatic or those who fanatic phobia.
...and one more thing
"dont starting a joke when the world is crying"
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6 Feb 2006 @ 05:06 by ashanti : Cartoons banned in South Africa
An update from South Africa: the cartoons have been banned from being published in South African newspapers. Reported on here.
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6 Feb 2006 @ 05:37 by Mohammad Kanaan @212.77.203.246 : Forgivness
Mickael Thank you for making sense. Actually the west has not given us Muslims a chance to forget. You mention the cursades. The crusades were 13 different war campaigns over a period of 200 years that were send to our region to do nothing but killing of Non-Christians. After that there was the inspection courts of spain
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