Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:51 am

Quote: Originally Posted by BIGfranky75

how sad......there are so many people burning in Hell right now that went through life with that same non-commital outlook.

but like you said....you have another chance today to improve....hopefully today will be the day you find the way!

because none of us are guaranteed a tomorrow.....and eternity in Hell would be an awfully long time to think back and reflect on all of the chances you had....

Good Luck! People are not burning in hell right now either. Anyway, that's another topic. You should start a new thread on that. Death is a sleep. God said it in the beginning(for dust thou art...). Do you believe in the second coming of Christ? That would void any necessity for hell. Why would Christ return again if people already are going to Heaven or hell?

I think Synik provided three good examples of Jesus saying He was the Son of God.
Another quote John 10:30 "I and my Father are one" read further to verse 34-38.

verse 34-38 " Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."

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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:11 am

Quote: Originally Posted by SubJunk I don't disagree with the conclusion you made, but this is not evidence towards it. Just because they borrowed rituals and traditions doesn't mean they re-invented the religion.
Borrowing characters (there are close similarities between the "original" characters of the Bible and some Greek mythology, for example. Do a Google for it if anyone is interested) from other religions is where we start to see more than just rituals were borrowed =)
Yeah, I agree. Brain Fart.. I did not state my case well. Maybe a better way of putting it is that Christianity and Judism is more like a collage of old ideas with new stuff added. More like you said. But what iritates me is that there is very little recognition of the fact that many paridigms contibuted to Christianity and Judism.

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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:22 am

Try this one.

Bit off the beaten path, but I think a good overview of why frummies, fundies, and those-who-insist-on-proving-or-disproving-alleged-facts fail to grasp it.

If indeed it's the same it we're looking for. Perspective is Jewish, but my sneaking suspicion is that it would apply to the Greek Testament as well.

Cheers -
CK

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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:18 am

Quote: Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster Yeah, I agree. Brain Fart.. I did not state my case well. Maybe a better way of putting it is that Christianity and Judism is more like a collage of old ideas with new stuff added. More like you said. But what iritates me is that there is very little recognition of the fact that many paridigms contibuted to Christianity and Judism. Hehe I'd be very surprised if they would ever admit that even if they al thought it. It would be like saying 2000 years worth of people all over the world were wrong about at least some aspects of their religion =P
If you prove a scientific theory partially wrong it's great because the scientific community loves to know more and be more correct, but somehow I don't think the religious community operates in the same way hehe.

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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:58 am

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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:12 pm

ok....jesus is the son of god.........but wait!!what does that mean!?what was his life as an example!?see it evident anywhere today!?maybe you are too far removed from the reality of his presence!?an easy way to avoid this reality!?look at JOB!!what does it imply!!and this is old testament logic!!and in the new testament he says we are in the dry!!not the green!!for his presence was the green!!NO!?!what do i know!?maybe it is challenge!?like the everyday challenges we all face.......the everyday decisions we all make concerning our own survival(profit) vrs the needs we see expressed by the failing or incompetant(not always docile) around us!?if we're not to insulated to see these things.but to ignore the everyday probems of the afore mentioned is the upscale ladder to the good life is it not!?to avoid the unpleasant and embrace the grandios schemes of utopia!!and there seems to be 2 paths to this end.the all inclusive and the performance enclusive.the question is,are they compatable.and the question then is,has a compatable scenario ever been tried or allowed!?and what are the personal roadblocks to such a proposal!?and then the anwer is,what is is the PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE!!for if a path of least resistance can be FOUND...........why not persue it with all vigor!!for what is the goal of all mankind but to agree on a common ground.now if by force then where is the common good!?so if not by force then by what!?that is the question.and if that question if left to answer itself then i say there lies the common good.for politics is the quest for control by persuasion and religion is no different.for if man is to find this god he must be allowed to do it by his own will.and this will can only be transmitted by public goodwill.goodwill is the natural state of man.by overiding the influences of life by politics goodwill will self administer.politics bein defined by the ENGRAINED system of profit and loss.the love of money as it is called!!we all must breakout!!defy the system!!make the impossible possible!!you are not alone!!or should i say you are definately alone!!and this is the crux of true courage!!i will not defend you!!no one will!!there is no defense in the ONE!!unlike POO who claims to be power of one!!but at least it shows wishful intent!!if only the mind would follow!!(actions)!!but the mind is prisoner of it's past responses and interests.and this at a very early age.did i forget to mention nepotism!?so hate is useless!!but evident everywhere!!it is merely a regret of circumstances(rejection).move on!!not easy but biblically supported!!infinately available!?who knows!?is there a god............of course!!but how this translates to any persons life is a matter if transference!!not by men but by god!!even life itself(orgasm) is not by men but by god!!for men can make love but cannot make orgasm because it is god who makes life.and it is god who completes the act of love.which is why it is ever NEW and men(women) never tire of it's reward!!god is the only true reward for mankind!!the lost garden of eden!!so porno is closer to god then religion for god is creation and man is his creation for glory.so wanna watch a good movie!?try the "never ending story"!!or maybe "enemy mine"!!

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:57 am

..."Franky only know what he reads in the Bible and what his Pastor tells him. Please don't ask him to apply critical thinking"...
Uhh,,,, critical thinking Synik?.........
.... Why are you such a Dick Head?...A critical thinking weenie!
.... Your totally void to any critical thinking concerning scriptures.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:20 am

Quote: Originally Posted by SubJunk Yes, back on topic, good one =)
I agree it's a possibility for sure.

So for political reasons, around 400BC the Pope (I think then it was Pope Innocent III, anyone know if that's right?) who had more power and respect than the King at the time saw his religion slipping to that of Paganism and needed a hero to incite people into wanting Christianity more than Paganism.

Lol, sorry but that makes no sense... Since it is 400 before christ, how come there is a pope already preaching? ... The first pope that has real historic background is Pope Clement I, around 88-98 A.D. (discounting Pope Peter, Linus and Anacletus.

Pope Innocentius III reigned 1198-1216 A.D. and was by no means particularly powerful, so you might want to get your facts checked. (Though he was from an aristocratic family and held influence in Rome and some in the HRE (Holy Roman Empire, not to confuse with the real roman empire). And the description you gave about his life does not match really any pope.

-Lance

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:49 am

Quote: Originally Posted by SubJunk
Take the seventh day of the week, it's Sunday.
Pagans called it Sun Day, because every seventh day they would worship the Sun.
There are many overlaps between all religions, especially Paganism, Christianity and Greek, and Christianity, being the newest of them all, seems to have borrowed a lot of things from both the others.

Again I am not wanting to step on anyone's toes here, I am not saying I am right or anything like that, just thinking and discussing. Please don't be put out if you are religious, your input is very important in this discussion.
Actually SubJunk Sunday is the first day of the week......Saturday is in fact the seventh day.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:41 am

Quote: Originally Posted by soulbro ..."Franky only know what he reads in the Bible and what his Pastor tells him. Please don't ask him to apply critical thinking"...
Uhh,,,, critical thinking Synik?.........
.... Why are you such a Dick Head?...A critical thinking weenie!
.... Your totally void to any critical thinking concerning scriptures.
You operate under the premise that the scriptures are fact, which is your first mistake. Second, you build your arguments on a faulty premise.

You have not proved anything or supported any statement you made. Now, you start name calling...the sign that you have shot your load and have nothing left to offer. Your done.

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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:58 am

Synik -

There may indeed be factual information in scripture. Even I take a lot of it midrashically, but I know that a lot of the tombs of the patriarchs have been found where they were said to be, and we read about some biblical characters in census records and sometimes in secular history.

That doesn't mean all of it is fact. It doesn't mean all of it is fable, either.

A lot of it we will simply never know one way or the other, and to insist that the entire thing is made out of whole cloth is as far-fetched a belief system as to insist that every word is literally true.

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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:06 am

Quote: Originally Posted by Lance Lol, sorry but that makes no sense... Since it is 400 before christ, how come there is a pope already preaching? ... The first pope that has real historic background is Pope Clement I, around 88-98 A.D. (discounting Pope Peter, Linus and Anacletus. My bad, don't get your panties in a bunch, I meant A.D., not B.C.
Quote: Originally Posted by Lance Pope Innocentius III reigned 1198-1216 A.D. and was by no means particularly powerful, so you might want to get your facts checked. (Though he was from an aristocratic family and held influence in Rome and some in the HRE (Holy Roman Empire, not to confuse with the real roman empire). And the description you gave about his life does not match really any pope.

-Lance Did I say Pope Innocentius III? Or did I say Pope Innocent? (pronounced innochent)
Which description of his life are you referring to?

I've just checked my sources (this will teach me to type names from the top of my head, I'm horrible with names)
The pope I was referring to was Pope (often listed as Saint) Innocent I (the first)
He was pope from 401 A.D. to 417 A.D., so at least I had the time frame right hehe not including my typo.
Thanks for pointing it out Lance, in your own special way.

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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:13 am

Quote: Originally Posted by GoneNow Actually SubJunk Sunday is the first day of the week......Saturday is in fact the seventh day. Bah, semantics. We're debating religion, not the non-existant study of days.
In the context I was meaning, any day can be "every seventh day", because you simply take a day and count seven days and look where you are, you're back at the same day, the seventh day you have counted.

Regardless of any of that, in Pagan tradition Sun Day was the end of the week. Saturday is also named after the Pagan God Saturn (Saturn Day)

Even the whole Christian "Sunday is the day of rest and worship" thing is from Pagan tradition, they would have one day of rest and worship at the end of the week.

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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:41 am

Quote: Originally Posted by SubJunk Bah, semantics. We're debating religion, not the non-existant study of days.
In the context I was meaning, any day can be "every seventh day", because you simply take a day and count seven days and look where you are, you're back at the same day, the seventh day you have counted.

Regardless of any of that, in Pagan tradition Sun Day was the end of the week. Saturday is also named after the Pagan God Saturn (Saturn Day)

Even the whole Christian "Sunday is the day of rest and worship" thing is from Pagan tradition, they would have one day of rest and worship at the end of the week.
i like this MAN!!he is a thinking man!!he is a questioning man!!and of course he has a camera which means i might be on the news!!hehe!!but backto my point he is not easily fooled by the words of men but trusts in his own underst anding!!good on him!!....that's a queer phrase if i ever heard one!!but i like it!!which brings me to the sunday thing!(who knew).what about the holiday!?(holyday!?)just askin!!

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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:33 pm

Impressive Synik! Do you bark like you write? You remind me of a little puppy dog that runs around a neighborhood yard barking at anything and everything. A real alpha dog thats insecure and wanting attention. Good or bad......
.....Ill say it again. You sure do read between the lines dude...
So I got balls to take a stand. You don't and that bothers you!!!
....That really seems to bother you. Tell us Synik what you possably can about Jesus. Enlighten us with ur knowledge. I will back off so you can fill us all in on Syniks knowledge of the scriptures and Jesus. Do a good too.

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