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 Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:38 am |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Stardust You are very incorrect.
The "advertising services" of an autosurf are valued extremely cheap, because in general, advertisers know that no one pays attention to autosurf ads. They can minimize them in their browser, walk away from their computer for five minutes and the surfing is done. Isn't that all you have to surf in 12Daily? Five minutes? If that's the product being advertised, why is the amount of surfing you can do daily limited? Isn't that going against the supposed "premise" of the website?
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No, you are very incorrect.
"no one pays attention to autosurf ads"
WRONG!
We're on 6 autosurfs now. 4 of those we came upon in autosurf ads. One was by an email from someone we know. And 12DP I learned of from THIS FORUM!
So 4 out of 6 we registered on from autosurf ads. We've made money on 2 of those 4 so far.
We also have 5 referrals who joined under us. Where do you think they came from? By people actually reading & clicking in the autosurf ad sites!
(We got at least 4 of those referrals before we started putting links in signatures and using other methods besides autosurf ads so I have to say 4 out of 5 of our referrals came from autosurf ads!)
Facts speak louder than false assumptions.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:35 am |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ponzi Nemesis Anyone who paid in recently will almost certainly have lost their money for sure. Just because payment isn't overdue yet doesn't mean the money isn't gone for good.
Panzi...You have been saying this everyday for 2 months now but 12dp has only continued to pay even faster than before!
BTW...Why don't you call the attorney's phone number and when you come back, please have the following questions answered.
1. What is the name of the attorney you talked to?
2. What did they say about 12 daily pro?
3. What is the report number?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:39 am |
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Ponzi Nemesis (aka 12DP Facts) or panzi or whatever his name is, seems very angry and determined to convince people to not try something they just may succeed with. Sorry to say, but anyone who is nagging incessantly about how 12DP is a ponzi and about how it is sooooooo illegal and wrong needs to pull their head out of their *** and wake up. Have you ever heard of Las Vegas?? If not here's a short explanation: Las Vegas is the biggest gambling city in the world made up of the wealthiest casinos in the world. People go there to gamble for the "possibility" to make money, not because someone told them that they WILL, or guaranteed them anything.
Where do the casinos get all of these millions and millions of dollars to build these huge establishments??? From people losing money to them. The winners are paid from the losers. Many many people lose their fortunes in Vegas and similar places everyday. So if you're so concerned about stopping "ponzis", why don't you have every casino and gambling site across the globe shut down.
The fact remains that people can and will take care of themselves, one way or another. No one needs your help or false advice, so please go away. The fact remains that 12DP has never ripped anyone off. The fact remains that like any other gamble or casino, 12DP has never and never will "guarantee" anything. Anyone that knows anything about anything knows to NEVER INVEST MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. Same with the stock market or ANY kind of investment. The fact remanis that this is an opportunity to make a little money for a lot of people right now, so why not ride it out. Oh wait, maybe I should feel ashamed for winning a couple hundred bucks at a casino because ultimately it came from someone elses pocket. Maybe someone that couldn't afford it. Maybe I also should be sad for the person that didn't get my full time job because I got it first. Please....It's a dog eat dog world, so get up and get yours while it's there or just disapear into the shadows with the other cowards and fade away.
12DP is paying and will continue to pay for some time, so get your share or STFU.
PS- Keep posting the "Nostradamus" fortune telling, see into the future crap about how 12DP will shut down soon, while the rest of us are making nice chunks of gold into our e-gold accounts, it's quite hilarious! LMFAO.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:38 pm |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ponzi Nemesis This text...
"If you think you've been the victim of an illegal business deal,.....
I think i might just consider calling this office to report a certain crook who tried to do my online activity in, by trying to dupe us of 125,000usd....I just might.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:27 am |
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Ok Ponzi Nemesis says to keep reporting it as a scam and make mention of the you pay before you get paid bit, but wouldnt that also make many direct sales companies (Mary Kay, Avon, Tupperware for example) Scams under his "pay before paid" definition? Because with each and every one of those you have to buy some form of kit before you can sell, and you are also not gauranteed a bit of money because if ya dont sell ya dont earn! Or even perhaps another legitimate wah such as LiveOps (http://www.liveops.com) were you have to pay for a background check (yes a bit different then investing but just hear me out), and then you are paid on a per minute rate based on the calls you get. you are NOT gauranteed calls, therefore you could never earn back what you paid in for the background check, does that make it a scam as well? My point is if thats what he is basing this one is telling the NC Attorney General that its a scam merely because you "pay before ya play" so to speak then hes going to have to come up with a better excuse then that.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:39 am |
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There are a ton of MORONS (cheerleaders) in this thread that can't recognize a T-bone unless you shove their heads inside a butcher's ass. Then they will ask. "where is the damn T-bone!".
Look, newbies in this thread. Don't fall for these scammers reviews. 12dp is a ponzi scam. The people that are here promoting here are called "ponzi cheerleaders". The job of this people is to promote ponzies so you join and they have a chance to get their withdrawal out. (your money). The way that ponzies work is that your deposits are those crooks above (cheerleaders) withdrawals. So, what they do is keeping the atmosphere very positive, nothing is happening so you invest in the ponzi and they can get their money out while you lose it.
12 dp is just another ponzi scam out of the thousands that have come and gone (robbing millions from people) on the internet. They can pay for awhile but they will for sure steal your money at some point.
The owner of this ponzi is a scammer and everybody knows that. I don't know her/him but they are running a ponzi scam and that makes him/her a scammer.
If you want to learn more about these scams go to www.talkgold.com/forum and ask Brian, the owner of that forum or participate in that forum. There you will learn who the crooks above are and what they do to newbies like you.
Also know that participating in ponzi scams is a federal crime. Your deposits are those crooks above's withdrawals.
Look, 12% return on your investment is rarely possible, let alone consistent. These crooks are paying as if they were printing money. These crooks are paying you 12% daily return on your money. Money doesn't grow in trees. This is a huge ponzi scam and tons of them have just ran away with millions of dollars from people like you before! If you don't believe me, go to a true investing forum out there (not hyips) and ask any member to advise you about 12dailypro.com. They would laugh at you!
Don't let the tone of a nice crook (administrator above) fool you. They are nice now but will steal your money later!
You see all this people talking about reporting scam warning people to the fbi and such? They don't know that the one they are going to get in trouble is their ponzi if they even investigate as it is a federal crime to run ponzies.
Look, I don't eat fear. If you are going to report me to whoever I want action, not words. I've been too long around to know what is ponzi and what is not. I know what leg you cheerleaders limp from.
Again, go to talkgold.com forum and learn. Don't let the crooks above fool you.
Look, ponzi nemasis is not the bad guy here as the cheerleaders would make you believe. 12dailypro.com is a plain scam an not a legit business. Report them to www.fbi.gov Point the fbi to this thread so they know who is who. They just need written evidence and a court order to get those crooks! I heard someplace that the fbi visits this forum often.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:55 am |
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Quote: Originally Posted by cito There are a ton of MORONS (cheerleaders) in this thread that can't recognize a T-bone unless you shove their heads inside a butcher's ass. Then they will ask. "where is the damn T-bone!".
Look, newbies in this thread. Don't fall for these scammers reviews. 12dp is a ponzi scam. The people that are here promoting here are called "ponzi cheerleaders". The job of this people is to promote ponzies so you join and they have a chance to get their withdrawal out. (your money). The way that ponzies work is that your deposits are those crooks above (cheerleaders) withdrawals. So, what they do is keeping the atmosphere very positive, nothing is happening so you invest in the ponzi and they can get their money out while you lose it.
12 dp is just another ponzi scam out of the thousands that have come and go (robbing millions from people) on the internet. They can pay for awhile but they will for sure steal your money at some point.
The owner of this ponzi is a scammer and everybody knows that. I don't know her/him but they are running a ponzi scam and that makes him/her a scammer.
If you want to learn more about these scams go to www.talkgold.com/forum and ask Brian, the owner of that forum or participate in that forum. There you will learn who the crooks above are and what they do with newbies like you.
Also know that participating in ponzi scams is a federal crime. Your deposits are those crooks above's withdrawals.
Look, 12% return on your investment is rarely possible, let alone consistent. These crooks are paying as if they were printing money. These crooks are paying you 12% daily return on your money. Money doesn't grow in trees. This is a huge ponzi scam and tons of them have just ran away with millions of dollars from people like you before! If you don't believe me, go to a true investing forum out there (not hyips) and ask any member to advise you about 12dailypro.com. They would laugh at you!
Don't let the tone of a nice crook (administrator above) fool you. They are nice now but will steal your money later!
You see all this people talking about reporting scam warning people to the fbi and such? They don't know that the one they are going to get in trouble is their ponzi if they even investigate as it is a federal crime to run ponzies.
Look, I don't eat fear. If you are going to report me to whoever I want action, not words. I've been too long around to know what is ponzi and what is not. I know what leg you cheerleaders limp from.
Again, go to talkgold.com forum and learn. Don't let the crooks above fool you.
Look, ponzi nemasis is not the bad guy here as the cheerleaders would make you believe. 12dailypro.com is a plain scam an not a legit business. Report them to www.fbi.gov Point the fbi to this thread so they know who is who. They just need written evidence and a court order to get those crooks! I heard someplace that the fbi visits this forum often.
Which is true, I thought you said Studio Traffic is history, so who are we to believe?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:57 am |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gas-Scam Which is true, I thought you said Studio Traffic is history, so who are we to believe?
Studio Traffic just yesterday stole millions from people and blocked them from the site. That scam is dead. Site is live but dead, just like www.it4us.net which site is live and hasn't paid members for almost a year. The Serious Fraud Office of NZ (SFO) is taking care of them now.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:06 am |
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Quote: Originally Posted by yep95821 Ponzi Nemesis (aka 12DP Facts) or panzi or whatever his name is, seems very angry and determined to convince people to not try something they just may succeed with.
"Succeed" with ponzies? You need help badly. Either you are a total brainless moron or a crook. I can't call you another name. I believe a 10 year old would know better than you. You are the type of people that falls for cults easily. You go to prison and bubba would have a ton of fUn with you. WAKE UP! MONEY DOESN'T GROW IN TREES!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:40 am |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ban 12DP Facts Nah...You got me all wrong here. I'm not insecure about any program but I am bothered by people such as Ponzi Nemesis (aka 12DP Facts) and this TIEGER guy, who will claim 12dp is a scam without ever participating in the program, never conducting research and due diligence on said company, and assuming 12dp's business model based solely on historical data of "similar" but not identical programs.
It is these very "speculations" and "assumptions" that are completely unwarranted and unfounded. Thus, such allegations would not benefact the "scam" theory in any mediatory situation.
I like intelligent debate as well. Please...I welcome you to present any evidence whatsoever that 12dp has not paid it's members who have followed the TOS, any evidence that 12dp broken any of it's promises to their members about the program, any evidence that 12dp is not a legitimate company legally registered to conduct business in the state of North Carolina, any evidence that the admin has committed fraudulent activities in her lifetime...
Once you find this evidence....Please post it here so we can begin the "intelligent debates"...
I say that 12DP is a scam and I've also never participated in the program. Why? Simple math and logic. A close examination of the program proves beyond a shadow of doubt that it's ponzi structured. The argument that one has to be a member to determine legitimacy of a program is frail. Otherwise, similarly, people against kiddie porn peddlers would actually have to peddle porn themselves to know whether it was okay or not. And that is clearly preposterous!
My personal research is the opposite of unfounded and proves that 12DP has no income streams large enough to cover the rising costs of supporting all members. They are even having a convention in the states to boost morale amongst the troops, if you will. Keep in mind, doing such a thing is very common among ponzi programs. Lucky for members, it is bound to extend the shelf life a little longer.
I have no doubt in my mind that 12DP has paid its members. All ponzis pay members initially: initially meaning for a number of days to a number of years (some have lasted for decades without collpasing or being caught by the governing body and punished). Otherwise, how would they keep members? To me, whether or not you get paid is irrelevant, since some of the world's finest criminals are paid regularly and well.
About being registered: in which context do you mean? 12DP could be "registered" in the same way that Fred Srock's programs were; it means nothing. However, they are violating a U.S. law by not being registered as an investment firm, as all investment programs are required to do. They do not send out statements detailing where they invested the money, as legitimate firms do.
There's no evidence that the owner, whoever that is, has ever committed fraud. Oh wait, except for right now. I'd say operating a successful online ponzi dealing with millions (perhaps) of dollars is pretty much fraudulent.
Same arguments, but with an empty filling. (Why can't it be strawberry frosting? Mmm....)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:53 pm |
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Anyone ever heard of Tri West Investment Club? this Ponzi sounds similar to that. I guess the main thing is to make sure the money you invested is not necessary and you are willing to take a risk with it. There are all kinds of investments on the internet available out there. If they end up folding, that is the risk you take to gain riches. You can either gamble, and make big money for awhile and then lose, or you can play it safe and invest at your local bank. But it won't grow very fast and in the meantime the bank will be making most of the interest off your money while giving you squat. Just about everything in life is a gamble if you think about it.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:58 pm |
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This is to Ponzi Nemesis,
I've done much digging on my only and I take no issue with your efforts to get your message out about 12dailypro.com, it's a free country and you have an opinion.
However, your facts have to be accurate, especially when implicating that someone has a crimminal background.
You supplied the link to an indictment of Charis Johnson in Illinois on credit card/check fraud.
http://209.251.115.195/2005%20Indictments/030305.html
This person is Charis Y. Johnson and she is currently in prison, here's the link to her photo and details. Note, she is still incarcerated.
http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/inms_print.asp?idoc=R78420
Regardless what you believe about Charis Johnson of 12dailypro.com, you owe her an apology and retraction regarding this matter.
Buddy Stein
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