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For more information visit http://911Physics.co.nr
I'm sorry about the pictures, if you wish to see them you have to opent them in a new window, my host doesn't allow remote loading. So you can't just click them, you have to start a new window and past the url in there. Sorry.
The first thing i am going to examine is the fires inside the WTC, it is thought by most people that the fire because it was powered by Jet Fuel would of burned at a very high temperature, however the maximum temperature a non-pressured hydro carbon fire can reach is 1800 FH (800 C.) The fire fighters were the first people to see the fires and arrived at the WTC relatively soon after the attack, the first fire fighter that made it up to where the fire was burning said this:
"Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor"
Obviously the fires inside WTC 1 & 2 were not that intense, not only that but the fire fighters most probably would of put out the fires, how do "two isolated pockets of fire" destroy a steel building? Let's now have a look at some fires that have been in other steel buildings, it is important to note that no fire has ever destroyed a steel building.
http://911physics.atspace.com/fib_la_fire_lg_s.jpg
Interstate Bank Building 1988
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Meridian Plaza 1993
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Madrid, Spain 2005
Now let's have a look inside of WTC 1 & 2:
http://911physics.atspace.com/WTC12.JPG
World Trade Center September 11th 2001
Have a good look at the fire inside the WTC and compare it to the fires that other skyscrapers have had, it is important to note, as i said above that no fire has ever destroyed a steel building, if you look at the WTC while it is on fire you will notice you can't see any flames however you can see black smoke, the black smoke would point towards the fires inside the WTC burning very inefficiently. For those of you who don't know steel has a melting temperature or 2800 FH (1500 C.) Even if these fires were powered by Jet Fuel and the the fire was at it's maximum temperate it would not reach a high enough temperature to melt the steel, although it is true that IF the fire did reach it's maximum temperature it may of weakened the steel enough to cause the tower to sustain significant damage, however it would be obvious that these fires are no where near there maximum temperature, and a hydro carbon fire can only reach it's maximum temperature in a few controlled situations, such as a Kitchen Stove:
http://911physics.atspace.com/stove.JPG
It is most probable that sometime during your life you have used a Kitchen Stove, a Kitchen Stove would most probably reach the maximum temperature of a hydrocarbon fire, has your stove ever ripped itself into pieces or collapsed? Has cooking something for an extended period of time weakened your stove enough for you to even notice the difference?
Let's just assume for a moment that the fire inside the WTC was so intense that it actually defied the laws of physics and exceeded the maximum temperature of a hydrocarbon fire, would it then of been possible for the fire to cause the building to collapse?
http://911physics.atspace.com/WTCFire.JPG
As you can see with at least one of the towers, the fire does not even spread across the hole building, for a compression demolition to take place the whole part of the floor would of have to of given way and then allowed the top section of the building to press down on it, even if the fires were hot enough to melt the steel, it would of been very difficult for this to cause a compression demolition. Some people might argue, well if the fires were not burning efficiently then how come people were jumping from the buildings? The fire must of been bad! Yes it is true that people were jumping from the buildings, but what do you see when you look at the fires inside the WTC? Well the fact is you don't really see a fire, you see clouds of black smoke, considering that this black smoke probably exists because the fire is not being powered by Jet Fuel but rather materials inside the building, this of course would be poisonous and would cause people to jump rather than suffer a slow and painful death.
Some people that heavily attack people like me say that the WTC Towers were built with delicate steel beams in order for the people who were constructing it to save money, well i ask you this do any of the pieces of metal from the WTC look delicate to you?
http://911physics.atspace.com/WTCBeams.JPG
The WTC had 236 exterior columns and 47 Core columns, is it possible that if the fire inside the WTC was so intense it would actually weaken steel so much it would cause a building collapse that it would of been able to destroy even half of these columns?
WTC 1 & 2 were built to withstand multiple hits from commercial airlines, you probably would of heard someone say this, and in case your wondering this is indeed true, the WTC was built in the 1970's and was built to withstand the largest commercial airliner they had at the time, which was the Boeing 707.
http://911physics.atspace.com/707_500.jpg
Having a look at the Boeing 707 you should realise it is relatively the same as a Boeing 767 which hit the WTC, below is a picture of a Boeing 767:
http://911physics.atspace.com/767.jpg
What about the technical stats for these two aircraft?
Boeing 707:
Fuel Capacity: 23,000 Gallons
Wingspan: 146 ft.
Length: 153 ft.
Cruise Speed: 607 MPH (796 KM)
Boeing 767:
Fuel Capacity: On 9/11 Official sources say it had approx. 10,000 Gallons of fuel.
Wingspan: 156 ft.
Length: 159 ft.
Speed: Flight 11 was flying at 470 MPH(752 KM) and Flight 175 was flying at 590 MPH(944 KM)
As you can probably see, a Boeing 707 fully loaded travelling at cruise speed would do more damage to the WTC than Flight 11 and Flight 175 did, considering the buildings were built to withstand multiple hits from commercial jet aircraft, how did 1 plane cause each tower to collapse? Of course I do admit that this piece of evidence is circumstantial because there was no way of telling if these buildings were built so exceedingly well, that is because the Bush Administration destroyed the rubble from the WTC, in case you don't know destroying evidence from a crime scene is illegal.
"The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting"
- Frank A. Demartini Construction Manager For The WTC
There is one thing we do know, when the planes hit the Tower's we did not see the Towers move at all, they absorbed the impact of the planes which hit them, people inside the towers said they "swayed briefly", these Towers were hit by an 80 ton airplanes, how is it that we cannot see the Towers swaying even the tiniest bit? The only possible explanation is that these Towers were EXTREMELY STRONG.
http://911physics.atspace.com/wind.JPG
The fact is that the Towers swayed more during winter storms than when a large Aircraft hit them, meaning the only part of the building that would of been partially damaged were the 3 floors that were struck by the airplanes. These Towers were built to withstand extreme force, and when the airplanes hit them they did exactly that.
It is also important to note that although allegedly two Boeing 767's hit the WTC, that each aircraft struck the towers in different places and on different angles, have a look at the picture below:
http://911physics.atspace.com/crash.jpg
The second plane approached the South Tower on a bad angle and most of the Jet Fuel would of been consumed by the fireball on the outside of the Tower, both Towers burned for about 1 hour before each of them collapsed, this is very strange because one Tower had a lot more Jet Fuel to power the fire than the other one, this would mean the amount of Jet Fuel inside the Towers would of had nothing to do with how they collapsed, if that is true is having Jet Fuel to power the fires inside the WTC actually doing that much at all?
Some people will argue that the fire was not the only thing that would of damage the WTC, that is true after all a large aircraft did strike it. Considering the WTC was built with very large columns most of the plane would of been ripped up upon impact and the remaining bits most probably wouldn't of made it past the Core columns, of course like all my other claims i will provide evidence to prove this.
Have a very close look at the picture below, try and spot something that you wouldn't expect to be there.
http://911physics.atspace.com/wtchole.JPG
If you looked very carefully you probably would of noticed the woman standing in the hole made by the aircraft, for those of you who can't see this i will show a zoomed in picture below.
http://911physics.atspace.com/woman.JPG
As you can see there is a woman standing near the edge.
http://911physics.atspace.com/man.JPG
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:47 am |
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And above is a picture of a man standing near the edge, both of these photo's that were taken have large significance, if these two people survived, how much damage did the plane do the the building? How intense were the fires in the building? Do you believe a fire is capable of destroying a steel building yet cannot manage to destroy human life? Although you can only see two of three people in these pictures it is likely that more are inside the Towers and have not come towards the edge, I'm sure the woman who was looking down was expecting to see a safety net made by the firemen for her to jump into.
You should remember above i said that is it not at all logical that a compression demolition took place nor did it happen, did a compression demolition take place? The answer to that is a flat out no, a compression demolition would occur if the floors where the planes hit gave way and the upper floors pushed down those floors and the floors below that gave way and so on an so forth, from watching the videos of the Towers collapse i could determine that no compression demolition took place, below are some still pictures of the WTC Towers collapsing.
http://911physics.atspace.com/12wtc002.jpg
Above is a picture of the South Tower, if you look carefully you should notice that the top of the Tower broke off, this is very important to note, Newtons Law Of Gravity And Motion states if an object is travelling in a certain direction and it has the same amount of force behind it, that object will continue travelling in that direction, therefore we can conclude that the top half of the tower should of kept falling, this did not happen, the top of the tower turned into dust, why did that happen? Most importantly there was no central weight pushing down the rest of the tower, meaning a compression demolition would not of taken place, if it was going to take place the top half of the tower would not of broke off.
http://911physics.atspace.com/image017.jpg
Above is the North Tower, with this tower the top half of it did not break off, instead the whole thing turned into dust, not only that but the steel inside of it shattered into pieces! How could a fire do this? It takes an extreme amount of force to turn concrete into dust and rip steel into pieces, I can only think of one thing that is capable of doing such a thing. As you can see the cloud of pulverised concrete and shattered steel are flowing over the building like a mushroom, just like the South Tower there is not central weight pushing down the rest of the building.
http://911physics.atspace.com/propell23.jpg
As you can clearly see steal beams are sent flying literally hundreds of ft, this is cause by extreme pressure or should i say explosive pressure! I doubt very much that air could or would send steel beams flying out literally hundreds of feet.
Concrete and Steel were propelled as far as Brooklyn Bridge and Battery Park, I ask you again do you really think fire can do something like this? Would the buildings collapsing cause this?
Demolition "squibs" can also be seen as the building is collapsing.
http://911physics.atspace.com/squib.jpg
As you can see part of the building is clearly exploded outwards, this is not caused by the building collapsing, for two reasons, the first being that the collapse area is a significant distance from where the squib can clearly be seen, the second is if this was caused by the building collapsing then the whole floor would most probably blow out not just a section of it, the fact that the contents of the floor have been turned into dust and sprayed outwards is an obvious sign of explosives.
http://911physics.atspace.com/image020.jpg
As you can see above a mushroom cloud is rising from what is left of the debris from the WTC, if a compression demolition took place and the top half of the tower pushed down the bottom half, what is causing this mushroom cloud to keep rising? This is something that is characteristic of explosives. The government claim that the towers experienced a compression demolition, which means gravity pulled down the top half of the building and the top half crushed the bottom half, if this were true, then why is it that we see a cloud of pulverised concrete rising upwards? Gravity pulls things down, it does not push them upward.
http://911physics.atspace.com/image014.jpg
Look at the how far the dust is spread in the picture above, two isolated pockets of fire could not do this, nor could any fire no matter how powerful, to something like this you need at least 14 tons of regular explosive (I'm not stating they used regular explosives) the calculation for this can be found on the following website: http://www.hawaii.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/3961.php
The speed at which the Towers fell caused some people to become suspicious of the government's official explanation of why the towers fell, this is for a very good reason, before I continue i will explain to you a very important scientific formula that is accepting by scientists all over the world, this formula is Galileo's Law Of Free Falling Bodies, this law states that the quickest time an object can fall in free fall in a total vacuum can be calculated using the following formula Distance = (32.16/2) X Time In Seconds Squared if we wanted to we could easily work out the quickest time a object could fall from a Height of 1350 ft.
http://911physics.atspace.com/WTCHeight.JPG
As you can see from my diagram, the WTC was 1350 ft. tall, the WTC was not in a total vacuum (just thought I would mention that) so it could not fall as fast as an object falling in free fall, not only that but the section that supposedly was damage by fire, had more than half a building of resistance.
1350 / (32.16/2) = 83.9552
Square Root of 83.9552 = 9.1267 Seconds
9.1267 seconds is the fastest time an object can fall in free fall in a total vacuum from a height of 1350 ft. The South Tower fell in 10.4 seconds, which is quite interesting because that is very close to the rate of free fall, considering there was more than half a building of resistance you would expect the time to be more, The North Tower fell in 8.1 seconds (If you want to start counting from where the plane hit it was 8.4 Seconds), THIS DEFIES THE LAWS OF GRAVITY!!! not only did the lower floors give no resistance but something actually pulled the building down, the only thing capable of doing this is a Hi-Tech explosive called RDX which creates a vacuum around the building and pulls the building down "at a faster than normal rate."
It is extremely unlikely for a pan cake demolition to take place according to the technical data that has been released, according to the engineers who built the towers, each 1/3 of the Tower(s) could hold 500 % of it's own weight for a week and not collapse!
"Adequacy of the Structural Design
According to sub-article 1002.0, Adequacy of the Structural Design, the design of structural members is to conform to the applicable material standards mentioned in sub-articles 1003.0 through 1011.0 (C26-1002.1). If such computations as prescribed in these standards cannot be executed due to �practical difficulties,� the structural design can be deemed adequate if the member or assembly performs satisfactorily when subjected to load tests in accordance with 1002.4(a). Provisions to determine the adequacy of completed or partially completed structures are also provided. Prequalifying load tests (C26-1002.4(a)) can be used to establish the strength of a member or assembly prior to having such
members or assemblies incorporated into a structure. The test specimens are to be a true representation of the actual members or assemblies in all aspects, including the type and grade of material used. Support
conditions for the members or assemblies being tested are to simulate the conditions of support in the building, except that conditions of partial fixity might be approximated by conditions of full or zero restraint, whichever produces a more severe stress condition in the member being tested. In regard to strength requirements, the member or assembly must be capable of supporting the following (note: no specific reference to a particular type of building material is given in this section of the Code):
1. Without visible damage (other than hairline cracks) its own weight plus a test load equal to 150 percent of the design live load plus 150 percent of any dead load that will be added at the site, and
2. Without collapse its own weight plus a test load equal to 50 percent of its own weight plus 250 percent of the design live load plus 250 percent of any dead load that will be added at the site.
The latter loading is to remain in place for a minimum period of one week, and all loading conditions in Article 9 of the Code are to be considered. Exceptions to the above load conditions are also given in this
section.
The member or assembly is also subject to the following deflection requirements: the recovery of the deflection caused by the superimposed loads listed in item 1 above must be at least 75 percent. Also, the
deflection under the design live load is limited to the values prescribed in C26-1001.5.
Requirements are also given for tests on models less than full size. The similitude, scaling, and validity of the analysis are to be attested to by an officer or principal of the firm or corporation making the analysis.
The firm or corporation is to be approved by the Building Commissioner."
Here is a link to the official documentation:
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report...4/appendixh.pdf
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:48 am |
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After the Towers collapsed fire fighters continue to spray the debris with water, they did this for literally weeks, why was the debris from the Towers still smoking weeks after when only two small fires were inside each Tower? NASA decided they would do an aerial shot of the area and get temperature readings.
http://911physics.atspace.com/hotspots-compare.jpg
If only three small fires took place at the WTC complex (including WTC 7) then why is there so much heat around this area? There were literally dozens of hot spots mapped, one of which was 1377 FH (747 C), this temperature exceeds that of what the fires inside the WTC would of been able to reach, what could generate such incredible temperatures? 5 days after the attack when the fire fighters had been spraying it with water!
Your probably thinking well if these temperatures were generated a large potion of the steel from within the WTC would of been completely melted, and this is true the basement of the WTC was completely melted!
http://911physics.atspace.com/cid_w..._groundbrea.jpg
"Hot spots of molten steel in the basements. These incredibly hot areas were found at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels. The molten steel was found three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed."
- Mark Loizeaux President of Controlled Demolition Incorporated
Obviously some VERY powerful explosives or some sort of Hi-Tech device was used to melt the basement of the WTC, and of course these explosions taking place would of registered on seisographs.
http://911physics.atspace.com/seismic-wave-24.gif
Notice those two big spikes? Most people would instantly say well the collapse of the Towers would caused them, it is true and of course it would be obvious that the collapse of the Towers would indeed be measured on a seismograph, however notice with this seismograph print out that the large spike is at the beginning of the collapse? Before the top half of the building hit the ground, meaning just before the Towers started collapsing a huge explosion took place.
http://911physics.atspace.com/wtc04...lding3ym6md.jpg
Look carefully notice the smoke coming from the bottom of the WTC Tower, what is happening in the basement of the WTC to cause this? I happened to get this particular image from the Internet and to my knowledge it does not come from an official source such as CNN, CBS News or Fox News, so it is possible that this image is fake, however there is strong evidence to point towards high power explosives being in the basement of the WTC, and of course as you probably would of worked out by now, official sources are sometimes extremely unreliable and sometimes intentionally provide us with false information in order to fool us into believing something.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:53 am |
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Well the only thing you can do is visit my website:
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:30 am |
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I would love to see these pages if you can fix the links.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:36 am |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:27 am |
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I had no trouble with the links.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:35 am |
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ok, i have been to the site that was posted here originally by chris and visited other links that website provides. honestly speaking i have no idea who this post can and will touch or even if it will make the slightest difference but i do have an opinion and feel compelled to voice it.
the infomation i am absorbing is that the whole 9/11 'events' are all part of a bigger conspiracy and also i am hearing the plea to buy the books n dvd's that provide further information of these consipracies. now i shall delve a bit more deeply into those two aspects...
1) it is my understanding from the '9/11 Painful Deception' mpegs that i downloaded from [URL=http://www.question911.com]www.question911.com has begun within the government beginning at least with the OKC bombing. it also suggests that it continued with the 9/11 attacks on the WTC and Pentagon. now i admit this info has certainly raised the question in my mind that maybe we as the public arent being told everything (and usually arent because as a nation we may not be able to handle it) and that some of the information may be falsified or even ad-libbed so to speak. this is concerning. but the other question in my mind that is NEVER addressed in these links is how the hell would AAAAAAALL of these people been involved in such an elaborate scheme that no one, i mean not one single man or woman has leaked 1 tiny little spec of info to anyone including their pastor, lawyer, doctor, wife... NO ONE! i mean we are speculating that 10's of hundreds of people probably had to have been involved in this if it were a conspiracy yet no one had a guilty conscience, the need to do the right thing, or worst of all gone nuts keeping this incredible secret hidden from everyone to leak the slightest bit of info. it had to take someone who claims to have reviewed the pictures and videos so many times that they picked up on these little things that the general public has overlooked or dismissed to come forward in the public eye like this. the conclusion that i have come to no matter how insignificant is this... yes i do agree after having watched these pieces that there is something bigger going on that we dont know about. however it is more fathomable in my mind this is probably due to severe negligence on many accounts, idiocy and the overall need for these government heads sitting in a room looking at each other all stoopified saying 'hell, we cant tell the american people that all these people involved had been scratchin there nuts and listenin to their ipods n reading personal emails on company time n thats why these devistating acts went temporarily unnoticed', to be running around trying to figure what the hell to say to everybody thats gonna seem the slightest bit conscienable (i know thats spelled wrong nthat it was a long sentence but you get my point, right?). no they have to come up with something to cover their own asses. i do beleive its unacceptable for this to happen n i certainly dont condone it, but these types of things have been happening for decades probably centuries. it takes someone to reopen the files 30 yrs after someones death to actually get it all uncovered tho. odds are thats what will happen here too.
2) i remain slightly skeptical of these pieces when i hear the voice, repeat the same things over n over n in one mpeg at the end you hear the pesron saying buy my dvd's/books. america is a free country with the rights of free speech. can this be another tactic for promotions to sell another book? i dont know which side of fence im teetering more toward.
i cant be the only one who has seen/heard these mpegs. i hope im not the last one. if enough people get together ever more speculation can be brought to light. more people will demand answers. i personally am not an activist right, wrong or indifferent. ive read other posts here n ive seen the attacks made on other people n their posts n i dont doubt that if enough people see this one that they may find the need to attack me too. but i will not say anything further on the issue. my peace has been said...
peace
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:49 am |
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It sounds to me as though you've been doing your homework, Chris.
Good Job! Keep it up, every little bit helps.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:57 am |
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffHanger ok, i have been to the site that was posted here originally by chris and visited other links that website provides. honestly speaking i have no idea who this post can and will touch or even if it will make the slightest difference but i do have an opinion and feel compelled to voice it.
the infomation i am absorbing is that the whole 9/11 'events' are all part of a bigger conspiracy and also i am hearing the plea to buy the books n dvd's that provide further information of these consipracies. now i shall delve a bit more deeply into those two aspects...
1) it is my understanding from the '9/11 Painful Deception' mpegs that i downloaded from [URL=http://www.question911.com]www.question911.com has begun within the government beginning at least with the OKC bombing. it also suggests that it continued with the 9/11 attacks on the WTC and Pentagon. now i admit this info has certainly raised the question in my mind that maybe we as the public arent being told everything (and usually arent because as a nation we may not be able to handle it) and that some of the information may be falsified or even ad-libbed so to speak. this is concerning. but the other question in my mind that is NEVER addressed in these links is how the hell would AAAAAAALL of these people been involved in such an elaborate scheme that no one, i mean not one single man or woman has leaked 1 tiny little spec of info to anyone including their pastor, lawyer, doctor, wife... NO ONE! i mean we are speculating that 10's of hundreds of people probably had to have been involved in this if it were a conspiracy yet no one had a guilty conscience, the need to do the right thing, or worst of all gone nuts keeping this incredible secret hidden from everyone to leak the slightest bit of info. it had to take someone who claims to have reviewed the pictures and videos so many times that they picked up on these little things that the general public has overlooked or dismissed to come forward in the public eye like this. the conclusion that i have come to no matter how insignificant is this... yes i do agree after having watched these pieces that there is something bigger going on that we dont know about. however it is more fathomable in my mind this is probably due to severe negligence on many accounts, idiocy and the overall need for these government heads sitting in a room looking at each other all stoopified saying 'hell, we cant tell the american people that all these people involved had been scratchin there nuts and listenin to their ipods n reading personal emails on company time n thats why these devistating acts went temporarily unnoticed', to be running around trying to figure what the hell to say to everybody thats gonna seem the slightest bit conscienable (i know thats spelled wrong nthat it was a long sentence but you get my point, right?). no they have to come up with something to cover their own asses. i do beleive its unacceptable for this to happen n i certainly dont condone it, but these types of things have been happening for decades probably centuries. it takes someone to reopen the files 30 yrs after someones death to actually get it all uncovered tho. odds are thats what will happen here too.
2) i remain slightly skeptical of these pieces when i hear the voice, repeat the same things over n over n in one mpeg at the end you hear the pesron saying buy my dvd's/books. america is a free country with the rights of free speech. can this be another tactic for promotions to sell another book? i dont know which side of fence im teetering more toward.
i cant be the only one who has seen/heard these mpegs. i hope im not the last one. if enough people get together ever more speculation can be brought to light. more people will demand answers. i personally am not an activist right, wrong or indifferent. ive read other posts here n ive seen the attacks made on other people n their posts n i dont doubt that if enough people see this one that they may find the need to attack me too. but i will not say anything further on the issue. my peace has been said...
peace Alex Jones' DVD, "Martial Law, 9-11: Rise of the Police State", is by far the best video about the WTC collapse I have seen. He asks that everyone that buys it, make as many copies as possible to share. He is more interested in getting the truth out, than making money. Run a search on 'Limewire' to get a free copy. It will knock your socks off. He makes no claims that are not documented.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:39 am |
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If there is such a conspiracy by the government to hide the truth about 9/11, then the logistics of carrying out such an operation and the burden of hiding the truth with so many people involved leads to highly improbable odds that such secrecy can occur without someone feeling morally culpable that they divulge the truth.
Furthermore, assume this same government has successfully executed a 9/11 conspiracy. Logic dictates that this same government would also be involved and successful in executing other less arduous conspiracies such as covering-up the fact that no WMD's were found in Iraq. Since there was no effort to hide the fact that WMD's were not found, I find it very highly unlikely that there is a conspiracy involved with 9/11.
It is far more likely that progressive terrorist activities such as the 1993 bombing of the WTC and the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000 were precursors and indicators to what was become 9/11.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:11 am |
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i know i said i wouldnt post another message on the subject but there was something else i thought about that i felt was important to add. had i had all my thoughts at one time i wouldnt need to do this now..... which just so happens to be a perfect example of the following...
i was thinking about the terrorists who hijacked the planes. it was mentioned that they were failing the flight schools they were attending or werent doin well. anyone see where im going with this? this was an elaborate plan, clearly. could it be that these people were told to make it look like they were failing when in fact they were absorbing all the info? i can fake a failing grade. even my kid can do that. what about the flight school teachers? did these students ever end up getting their pilots licenses? we have rules and regulations and protocols everywhere we go. isnt there some sort of protocol for someone who is clearly failing something so huge like FLIGHT SCHOOL WHERE THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FLYING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AROUND SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF FEET IN THE AIR? i mean, would it so be so wrong to say, 'look dude, im kickin you out, you suck at this'. or is that an issue of losing money for that student?
knowing full well how the average brain works, once these things were revealed, of course we would begin to question it. thats what the terrorists are trying to do and they succeeded. they knew we as a nation would turn on ourselves and waste that precious time trying to figure out if our own government was involved in this. we are human. we are going to think there are other possibilities. the terrorists were banking on that.
also im a bit weary of the 5 frames that were provided at the pentagon attack. i certainly cant explain that one, other than the government is embarrased to come forth with a possibly serious mistake that may have been made on their part. some of the mistakes that were revealed were devistating but we mostly chalked it up to human error. something the government was probably banking on.
another thing, what did you do when you heard that the 1st plane hit? not where were you? or what were you doing? or any of that crap. me? i was at work helping a customer place an order. but what did we do when we heard that it happened? most of us probably stood/sat there in awe and disbelief. its what i did. then i asked how could that have happened? not knowing any of these answers and figuring we will soon know what happened by the reports issued on the news i then continued working goin about my regular business, thinking theres nothing else i can really do. its not like i can go help living thousands of miles away. my point is thats probably an accurate discription of what just about everyone did. including the air traffic controllers. and who wants to stand up n say 'im responsible for loosing that plane from radar'. if that were me, i woulda been pooping my pants n getting sick to my stomach n trying to figure out how i might be able to cover it up. thats human nature. i certainly wouldve come to my senses quickly, but to be honest if i knew i was partially resposible for deaths of many people, i would just be a pile of mush at that point. but hey, thats me.
there are a boatload of unanswered questions here, i agree, but i am a little skeptical that this was the governments' doing.
i shouldnt have jumped the gun here either, i assumed at some point i may be 'attacked' in some way for voicing my own tiny opinioin n i wasnt so i apologize to everyone for that. i did read the prior posts and appreciate everyones comments.
i want to add also that if the guy in those mpegs says that whoever buys the dvd's/books should copy them and share, he makes no mention of it in the mpegs themselves. dont get me wrong, im not dissin the guy at all. simply trying to prove a point that these doubts are some that can be raised. it alsmost seems like a catch 22, which is why i understand how n why people give up so easily.
peace.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:52 am |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Chris_Morganti DEBUNKED:
http://www.reopen911.org/ericreubt.htm
For those of you who do not know, Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst publications, Hearst publications is owned by THE FIRST COUSIN OF THE DIRECTOR OF HOME LAND SECURITY.
Propaganda! Your post nor the link above disproved any of the scientific and engineering analysis gathered of the series of events leading to the eventual collapse of the WTC.
Additionally, I pose this question: How many people do you think were involved with this so-called conspiracy? To believe in this conspiracy, you will have to admit that hundreds if not thousands of people were involved, including the terrorists themselves, their families as well as Israel. Are you willing to concede that all these people who are sworn enemies worked hand-in-hand with each other, sworn to secrecy to orchestrate the biggest lie of the 21st century? If not, how would you explain that it was such a success? The burden of proof of this conspiracy lies with you the conspiracy theorist. So far, no one has been able to prove this is a conspiracy.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:51 am |
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rtf that is an assumption that isn't evidence.
If you were on the inside would you go on tv and say something? Would the government controlled media allow you to? Would people bother to listen to you?
Did the Russians expose the Kennedy Assasination? They said Oswald was a KGB agent, they had the perfect oppurturnity to rip there story to pieces, did they?
It is now admitted in declassified documents that Oswald was a CIA AGENT.
There is no evidence I have seen that could prove the WTC was brought down by fire.
Research the fire in Madrid 2005, the Winsor Building.
Quote: So far, no one has been able to prove this is a conspiracy.
That is totally incorrect, the buildings fell within 8 - 12 seconds (12 seconds is an exagerration).
The rate of free fall (In a total vaccuum) from that height is 9.2 seconds, considering there was plenty of resistance offered by the Towers.
Basically what your saying is the towers fell as fast as objects fall through air, how is it possible something that has to smash through concrete and thick steel beams falls as fast as something does through air?
How did the fires at the top of the towers cause molten steel at the bottom?
You may wonder why this scam has not been fully exposed, this is because humans (generall) are stupid sheep which are afraid of the truth, they will go to incredible lengths at time to avoid hearing the truth.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:33 pm |
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Debunked: http://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...se/1227842.html
DEBUNKED:
http://www.reopen911.org/ericreubt.htm
For those of you who do not know, Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst publications, Hearst publications is owned by THE FIRST COUSIN OF THE DIRECTOR OF HOME LAND SECURITY.
Propaganda!
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