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 Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:35 am |
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Wackey Forest, you are wrong.
The BBB checks to make sure the company is licensed if they are in an industry that requires it. If the company says they are insured and bonded then they have to submit proof of it.
The BBB checks a companies advertisement to make sure can back up what they claim.
If a company does the BBBOnline membership then there is a whole diffrent type of check they do to make sure the website meets their standards.
Why does anyone on this board. name the company names and provide proof.?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:01 am |
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Wckey Forest,
I went to www.ncdoj.com and I could not find a link that allowed you to look up the record of a company.. What are you talking about. They do have a consumer protection division.. But they do not have a database that they make avaible to the public online.
The scneiro could arise that the consumer could file the complaint with the Department of Justice or AG office and NOT with the BBB.
How could the BBB judge a situation if they do not have the evidence or facts of the case?
This is part of the reason that I started this thread regarding the BBB..
So many people don't realize how the BBB works.
Many people think the BBB is a govermental agency or a chamber of commerce or some agency that companies can just buy their way in..
Most people don't know the facts regarding the BBB.
The BBB is the ONLY organizatioin that does a business background check on the company before allowing them in.
The ONLY organization including regulatory agencys and the goverment that will mediate a complaint in efforts to get a resolve to the consumer.
Every Regulatory Agency I know would just yank a companys license thus not getting the consumer anything back in return.
Most people don't realize that with out the BBB there would be a goveremental agency doing what the BBB does.
Another funny thing I found was that the on www.NCDOJ.com they reccomend under consumer tips that consumers check with the BBB.. Thats FUNNY... huh..
Let me pose this question.
What if the BBB some how shut down around the country and then took all their stacks of complaints they have and sit them on the desk of each states AG's office.
Do you think the Goverment would be in favor of that..? Hell No!
Another funny think is that if you study the history of the BBB in the last 90 years of their existance every United States President in the last 90 years has supported the efforts of the BBB.
I guess those of you who are not on board with the BBB are all smarter then the President's of the United States in the last 90 years..
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:08 am |
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No we just don't need a political cover. Do politicians every lie? Are presidents politicians? Yes, the DOJ doens't have compiled on a webpage open scams but the Consumer Affairs department does keep records and will provide responses to written or called in inquiries. It's still applicable that DOJ has open investigations and claims against multiple BBB members. Here's a simple logical thought why is it that so many scam companies always join the BBB first? It's like a blanket - it provides cover. If a company is honest why does it need to join an organization that promotes it's members honesty? Case in point certain water softing companies always have local franchisees join the better business bureau but when I checked on one I found the Attorney General was suing the franchisee for false and deceptive claims, bait and switch and violating the 3 day recension laws. But the BBB had them in good standing.
Go figure.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:37 am |
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Quote: The BBB checks to make sure the company is licensed if they are in an industry that requires it.
Tennisbar, this is what you said about the BBB in a post above. Here is what the BBB says about the company who scammed me in their BBB report:
Quote: This company is in an industry that may require licensing, bonding or registration in order to lawfully do business. The Bureau encourages you to check with the appropriate agency to be certain any requirements are currently being met. These agencies may include The Labor Department of the Industrial Commission of Arizona. The Industrial Commission of Arizona is located at 800 W. Washington Street in Phoenix, AZ 85007. The Labor Department can be reached by calling 602.542.4515 or visiting the Industrial Commission website at www.ica.state.az.us.
The BBB hasn't checked up on this company for licensing, which is required for the particular industry the scammer claims to be involved with. When I called the Industrial Commission to find out if the company needed a license, I was told they didn't because, according to the Industrial Commission, the company provided photography services. However, the owners of this company market themselves on their website as a casting company, and with the BBB as a talent agency. It's just a tangled mess.
This is just one reason why I choose to get my opinions from more sources than the BBB. What truly informed person listens to just one source as the ultimate truth?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:45 am |
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Why does'nt anyone provide us with EVIDENCE to back up your claims. Give us the Name of the Company, the BBB they are membrs of..
Wacky Forest, how do I know that you are not a disgrunteled business owner that has an unsatisfactory record with the BBB?
The BBB has NOTHING to do with polictics...
The BBB provides the United States goverment and consumers a service.
The BBB will Revolk a member if any legal action was rendered after the decision was finalized by the AG..
CALL THE BBB and let them know this, if what you are saying is true. The BBB often relies on consumer feedback.
If a comany is Honest then they have nothing to hide and can join the BBB.
Joining the BBB puts them to the test.
Do you just trust a guy who says their honest when they are trying to make a sell.. How else would a company promote honesty?
Using the Christian Symbol? Anyone can use that. We can't go to GOD.com to look them up to make sure they really are honest...
The Goverment does not tell us this..
What people don't understand is that it takes time to mediate a complaint.
It does not get done over night. If a company IS a member you have a better chance of getting a complaint resolved.
If the company is NOT a member then you are rolling the dice.
Quote: Originally Posted by Wacky Forest No we just don't need a political cover. Do politicians every lie? Are presidents politicians? Yes, the DOJ doens't have compiled on a webpage open scams but the Consumer Affairs department does keep records and will provide responses to written or called in inquiries. It's still applicable that DOJ has open investigations and claims against multiple BBB members. Here's a simple logical thought why is it that so many scam companies always join the BBB first? It's like a blanket - it provides cover. If a company is honest why does it need to join an organization that promotes it's members honesty? Case in point certain water softing companies always have local franchisees join the better business bureau but when I checked on one I found the Attorney General was suing the franchisee for false and deceptive claims, bait and switch and violating the 3 day recension laws. But the BBB had them in good standing.
Go figure.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:00 am |
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Zirchowvii, are you on drugs? Your post did not make sense.
You said that the BBB report says this company MAY be in an industry that requires lincensing and bonding or registration.
First, you said the BBB has not check for lincensing.
Next you say the Industry Does require lincensing.
Finally you called the Industrial Commission to check to see if they needed a lincense and they DID NOT.. --Why would the BBB check for something that is NOT required??
Correct me if I am wrong is a casting agency not the same as a talent agency..?? Would a casting agency and a talent agency not take photo's of their talent for casting purposes..
Talent Agencies are similar to Dating Services. If a consumer signs up for one of these there is NO garuntee that this company will help the consumer.
On Match.com there is no promise that the person will EVER get a date.
If that person is UGLY then their chances obvioulsy are slim that they would find a date.
In a talent agency there is no promise that they will be able to find you work.
Especially if you are not talanted.
Talent Agencies and Dating services will take your money even if you are ugly and not talanted...
Quote: Originally Posted by zirchowvii Tennisbar, this is what you said about the BBB in a post above. Here is what the BBB says about the company who scammed me in their BBB report:
The BBB hasn't checked up on this company for licensing, which is required for the particular industry the scammer claims to be involved with. When I called the Industrial Commission to find out if the company needed a license, I was told they didn't because, according to the Industrial Commission, the company provided photography services. However, the owners of this company market themselves on their website as a casting company, and with the BBB as a talent agency. It's just a tangled mess.
This is just one reason why I choose to get my opinions from more sources than the BBB. What truly informed person listens to just one source as the ultimate truth?
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:40 am |
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Tennisbar, as you said on October 20, "the BBB checks to make sure the company is licensed if they are in an industry that requires it." Therefore, if your statement is true, and the BBB checks for licenses, then why did a BBB report on the company that scammed me only say that the company "may" require a license? To me, this means that the BBB hasn't checked up on this company to make sure that it requires a license (even though you say that's what the BBB does), rendering all of your previous statements about the BBB completely useless. If this company didn't need a license, they wouldn't even put that "may need a license" spiel up there.
Also, this company represents itself as a talent agency (a business which does require a license) on the BBB website. However, at the Industrial Commission, this company represents itself as a photography services company (which does not require a license).
I was trying to state that this company represents itself in different ways to different organizations.
Many people (me included) probably hadn't had any experience with high-pressure, coercive sales tactics or bad business practices until they encountered the company that scammed them, and were probably not able to get themselves out of the situation once they got in. Call it stupidity, desperation, whatever...sometimes when you see an ad in the paper promising you big money, you make an appointment and go in.
Now do you put the blame solely on the person who is naive enough to fall for the scam, or do you blame the company for reeling people in? Probably a little bit of both. I lost some money when I was scammed, but I learned a lot about who's honest and who's not, and I learned to trust my gut instinct.
The sun does not rise and set on the Better Business Bureau. Not every company who is a member is going to be squeaky clean.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:03 am |
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Quote: Originally Posted by TennisBar Wackey Forest, you are wrong.
The BBB checks to make sure the company is licensed if they are in an industry that requires it. If the company says they are insured and bonded then they have to submit proof of it.
I will check on this by calling the BBB myself, but I'm not sure this statement is 100% accurate. The BBB will rely on statements made by the companies they list if documentation in the public record supports it... But in most cases the BBB posts a disclaimer warning consumers that they must verify for themselves that these companies in question are licenced properly. I think we can agree that verifing all the required licencing for every company in every industry that the BBB lists is a massive task in itself. Also consider that some licencing must be renewed periodicly and this drill would have to be repeated endlessly.
Let the buyer beware, remember? Every consumer should do some research on these companies independantly if they plan on doing business with them.
PSB
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:33 am |
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Hopefully I have atleast helped people to think that the BBB is a good organziation for the United States. I am not saying its perfect. But, the BBB is a great organization that does much more good then people give it credit for.
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